How many Plan to get a GR86 as a weekend/track only car

[zc06_kisstherain]

Originally Posted by WildCard600

But, why ?

Soon™ electric vehicles will be SO good that nobody is going to want to waste money on antiquated internal combustion engine cars.

i like old school

[WildCard600]

Originally Posted by zc06_kisstherain

i like old school

BuT tEh tESlA WuZ FasTEr aROunD tEH hAMbuRgER rINg !!!!111oneoneone


Me too. My other post was dripping with sarcasm in case you didn't catch it.

[Blighty]

I think as a regular family car shitbox, electric makes a lot of sense. I mean all cars will weight 4000 pounds, but its fast in a straight line.

For sports cars though... Its a terrible situation, I mean when even a family car will be 0-60 in <3 seconds, where exactly do you go to make yourself stand out as a drivers car...?

Handling? @4000 lbs there will be a fair amount of money spent to make something chuckable Lol. Its certainly not going to be sound, or power delivery, or anything really visceral that defines what a sports car is (in my opinion anyway).

I mean I question whether or not people will see driving a car as something to be enjoyed in the future at all.

Progress right? Hehe. One day they will probably outlaw your car if it doesn't do the driving for you lol.

[zc06_kisstherain]

Originally Posted by Blighty

I think as a regular family car shitbox, electric makes a lot of sense. I mean all cars will weight 4000 pounds, but its fast in a straight line.

For sports cars though... Its a terrible situation, I mean when even a family car will be 0-60 in <3 seconds, where exactly do you go to make yourself stand out as a drivers car...?

Handling? @4000 lbs there will be a fair amount of money spent to make something chuckable Lol. Its certainly not going to be sound, or power delivery, or anything really visceral that defines what a sports car is (in my opinion anyway).

I mean I question whether or not people will see driving a car as something to be enjoyed in the future at all.

Progress right? Hehe. One day they will probably outlaw your car if it doesn't do the driving for you lol.

cant justify myself getting EV because why do i need to wait 30min for supercharging?

local daily for EV make sense though

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by zc06_kisstherain

cant justify myself getting EV because why do i need to wait 30min for supercharging?

local daily for EV make sense though

The average American drives 30 miles a day. This means that you have to get really high into the upper end of things before charging would be an issue. Lets say that you could go as high as 80% of drivers being able to do the majority of their driving and never have to stop just to charge the battery.
If I had the ability to charge a car at work electric would make perfect sense even though I drive at the higher end of the distance scale.
There are very, very, few people that would ever need to drive an EV to the full distance of a charge in one go. Most would have loads of time to charge if the ability to do so was at the home or workplace.

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

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If I had the ability to charge a car at work electric would make perfect sense even though I drive at the higher end of the distance scale.

That's where I fall, and why I'm considering it for my next DD, as long as I keep an ICE for the good amount of driving I do outside the round-trip range of an EV.

I can charge at home for free, as long as I do it overnight. I can charge at work for free. My average work day is a minimum of 80 miles, to a max of about 150 miles. That accounts for about 19,000 to 20,000 miles a year.

There is another 8,000 to 10,000 miles a year I drive that I would not do in an EV as it is all outside the round-trip range, but I own multiple cars anyway so that is covered.

If I bought a 2021 Chevy Bolt, for example, which could be had for around $22,000 right now with dealer cash back, the ROI from gas savings alone would cover the cost of the car in 10 years compared to the FRS, and 5 years if I was driving my Suburban full time. It is a boring car though.

Right now, there isn't an EV that has the right mix of range, looks, performance and price for me. I suspect that won't be an issue for much longer.

[Blighty]

Originally Posted by zc06_kisstherain

cant justify myself getting EV because why do i need to wait 30min for supercharging?

local daily for EV make sense though

Oh the charging thing sucks hard. I fear what the world looks like when its holiday time and people can't 'RTB' on a single charge.

Can you imagine the line around the blocks waiting for charging stations... hehe.

I'm a big fan of hybrid battery and hydrogen. You don't need a big battery for most day to day stuff, and hydrogen for long trips - its more like your usual fill-up time too at a service station - 3mins.

But yeah whats the chances of that perfect world happening.

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by Blighty

I'm a big fan of hybrid battery and hydrogen. You don't need a big battery for most day to day stuff, and hydrogen for long trips - its more like your usual fill-up time too at a service station - 3mins.

Yea I'm on Team H as well, but I think that ship may have sailed for personal transportation. I do think it may still have a chance in long-haul trucking, etc.

[Sasquachulator]

I know its at a much larger scale but how many times can you charge an EV before the battery capacity deteriorates?

My iphone is down to like 72% overall capacity and its really starting to eat into battery life. I almost have to keep it plugged in all time now in order to avoid phantom discharging. Not to mention the thing just doesnt like cold weather anymore and will completely die until its warmed up again.....

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by Sasquachulator

I know its at a much larger scale but how many times can you charge an EV before the battery capacity deteriorates?

Well, if you go by the warranty, it looks like a battery should be good for up to 100K to 120K miles and still have at minimum 70% of its original capacity. You figure they build in some level of protection into that percentage for themselves.

Here is Tesla's warranty page.

And here is a blogger that documented a 8.3% decline in his Chevy Bolt over 100,000 miles.

[Dzmitry]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

Well, if you go by the warranty, it looks like a battery should be good for up to 100K to 120K miles and still have at minimum 70% of its original capacity. You figure they build in some level of protection into that percentage for themselves.

Here is Tesla's warranty page.

And here is a blogger that documented a 8.3% decline in his Chevy Bolt over 100,000 miles.

That's about right. Here's another article with some good data that I saw posted before.
https://electrek.co/2020/06/06/tesla...n-replacement/

[WildCard600]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

Yea I'm on Team H as well, but I think that ship may have sailed for personal transportation. I do think it may still have a chance in long-haul trucking, etc.

Hydrogen might still yet be the way -

https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/car-ne...pply-of-cobalt

"A team of scientists has written to the Committee of Climate Change warning that if the UK’s 31.5 million cars are replaced by electric vehicles by 2050, as is currently planned by the Government, this will require almost twice the current annual global supply of cobalt.

The researchers have also calculated that based on the latest ‘811’ battery technology (80 per cent nickel, 10 per cent cobalt, 10 per cent manganese), UK demand for EV batteries will require almost the total amount of neodymium produced globally each year, three quarter’s of the world’s lithium, and “at least half” of the world’s copper.

• Cobalt: the electric car's dirty secret

The letter, authored by a team of eight scientists headed by the Natural History Museum’s head of earth sciences, professor Richard Herrington, explains that to replace the UK’s cars with EVs will require 207,900 tonnes of cobalt, 264,600 tonnes of lithium carbonate and “at least” 7,200 tonnes of neodymium and dysprosium, as well as 2,362,500 tonnes of copper.

Furthermore, the Committee on Climate Change, an independent statutory body established under the Climate Change Act 2008, has previously called for all new cars and vans to be zero-emission by 2035. Professor Herrington and his colleagues estimate that to make the (roughly) 2.5 million new cars sold each year in the UK electric “will require the UK to annually import the equivalent of the entire annual cobalt needs of European industry.”"

[Blighty]

Originally Posted by WildCard600

Hydrogen might still yet be the way -

https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/car-ne...pply-of-cobalt

"A team of scientists has written to the Committee of Climate Change warning that if the UK’s 31.5 million cars are replaced by electric vehicles by 2050, as is currently planned by the Government, this will require almost twice the current annual global supply of cobalt.

The researchers have also calculated that based on the latest ‘811’ battery technology (80 per cent nickel, 10 per cent cobalt, 10 per cent manganese), UK demand for EV batteries will require almost the total amount of neodymium produced globally each year, three quarter’s of the world’s lithium, and “at least half” of the world’s copper.

• Cobalt: the electric car's dirty secret

The letter, authored by a team of eight scientists headed by the Natural History Museum’s head of earth sciences, professor Richard Herrington, explains that to replace the UK’s cars with EVs will require 207,900 tonnes of cobalt, 264,600 tonnes of lithium carbonate and “at least” 7,200 tonnes of neodymium and dysprosium, as well as 2,362,500 tonnes of copper.

Furthermore, the Committee on Climate Change, an independent statutory body established under the Climate Change Act 2008, has previously called for all new cars and vans to be zero-emission by 2035. Professor Herrington and his colleagues estimate that to make the (roughly) 2.5 million new cars sold each year in the UK electric “will require the UK to annually import the equivalent of the entire annual cobalt needs of European industry.”"

I knew there was a problem with battery rare earths and other stuff, but I didn't know it was that unsustainable.

Perhaps we will get hydrogen after all! Gosh.

[WolfpackS2k]

Originally Posted by WildCard600

But, why ?

Soon™ electric vehicles will be SO good that nobody is going to want to waste money on antiquated internal combustion engine cars.

Haha, I was hoping that was sarcasm.

Originally Posted by Tcoat

The average American drives 30 miles a day. This means that you have to get really high into the upper end of things before charging would be an issue. Lets say that you could go as high as 80% of drivers being able to do the majority of their driving and never have to stop just to charge the battery.
If I had the ability to charge a car at work electric would make perfect sense even though I drive at the higher end of the distance scale.
There are very, very, few people that would ever need to drive an EV to the full distance of a charge in one go. Most would have loads of time to charge if the ability to do so was at the home or workplace.

I think it's safe to say almost nobody in this forum is an "average American" (or Canadian/Aussie/EU'er).