A challenge for all the tuners out there? - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

ft_sjo · 03-15-2013, 05:00 AM

So a friend of mine has been tuning engines for quite a long time. He's been my mentor over the years and what he produces is quite impressive.

I am curious to find out if any of the tuners or 'tuners' on this forum would be able to replicate the results he has?

For example, below is a superflow engine dyno graph for one of his 2 litre engines. No VVT, no direct injection, single scroll turbocharger, pump fuel (97-98RON). You'll notice over 300 ft-lb from ~3500rpm and a fantastic torque curve. Some more detail, 7.5:1 SCR, T3/T04E type turbo, journal bearing.

I've never seen anyone produce a torque band as good as this on a 500bhp 2L engine. I'm hoping that some of the BRZ/86 tuners are capable of attaining this? This is a serious question. Who can do it?

Answers on a postcard.......

EZWood · 03-15-2013, 05:22 AM

Chewie4299 · 03-15-2013, 07:17 AM

I'm no tuner but I'll give it a go.

Lemme just find my ruler around here somewhere...

2forme · 03-15-2013, 07:46 AM

I think has to do with the cams being sized correctly for that powerband. The FA20 holds nice torque from 2500-6500 (with a header lol). If they were to size the cams to boost the VE above 6500 (at the expense of low end), you theoretically COULD attain that power band with a properly sized turbo. Holding a power band for 2000-3000 RPM isn't difficult.

TyperRspec789 · 03-15-2013, 09:01 AM

Looks pretty close...

nonicname · 03-15-2013, 09:23 AM

who needs tuning skills when you have photoshop skills!

2forme · 03-15-2013, 09:24 AM

The innovate dyno looks exactly like this, done.

Pete · 03-15-2013, 09:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2forme

The innovate dyno looks exactly like this, done.

ROFL

ahausheer · 03-15-2013, 10:06 AM

OP's dyno looks like data points were taken every 500 rpm and a straight line was drawn between each. If that is the case the chart is misleading and a poor gauge to judge other charts by.

7thgear · 03-15-2013, 10:37 AM

pff, you call this a challenge?

7thgear · 03-15-2013, 10:50 AM

here, done

NEXT

2forme · 03-15-2013, 11:32 AM

I love your napkin dynos @7thgear

Great VTEC after 20,000 RPM. Should get a VTEC controller..

7thgear · 03-15-2013, 11:36 AM

and that's just in reverse!

Calum · 03-15-2013, 12:04 PM

I couldnt believe OP even made this thread. Thanks for not dissapointing with the responces!

Sent from mission control

03-15-2013, 05:00 AM	#1
ft_sjo Banned Join Date: Oct 2012 Drives: GT86 Location: The Motherland Posts: 1,398 Thanks: 140 Thanked 473 Times in 271 Posts Mentioned: 22 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	A challenge for all the tuners out there? So a friend of mine has been tuning engines for quite a long time. He's been my mentor over the years and what he produces is quite impressive. I am curious to find out if any of the tuners or 'tuners' on this forum would be able to replicate the results he has? For example, below is a superflow engine dyno graph for one of his 2 litre engines. No VVT, no direct injection, single scroll turbocharger, pump fuel (97-98RON). You'll notice over 300 ft-lb from ~3500rpm and a fantastic torque curve. Some more detail, 7.5:1 SCR, T3/T04E type turbo, journal bearing. I've never seen anyone produce a torque band as good as this on a 500bhp 2L engine. I'm hoping that some of the BRZ/86 tuners are capable of attaining this? This is a serious question. Who can do it? Answers on a postcard.......

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ahausheer Re-member Join Date: Nov 2011 Drives: Toyota camry Location: S. Cali Posts: 1,001 Thanks: 98 Thanked 292 Times in 152 Posts Mentioned: 2 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	OP's dyno looks like data points were taken every 500 rpm and a straight line was drawn between each. If that is the case the chart is misleading and a poor gauge to judge other charts by. __________________ Nothing decays like progress, and nothing preserves like neglect.

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7thgear i'm sorry, what? Join Date: Jan 2012 Drives: Canada Location: I rock a beat harder than you can beat it with rocks Posts: 4,399 Thanks: 357 Thanked 2,506 Times in 1,268 Posts Mentioned: 40 Post(s) Tagged: 3 Thread(s)	pff, you call this a challenge? __________________ don't you think if I was wrong, I'd know it?

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nonicname Banned Join Date: Nov 2012 Drives: it has 4 wheels and a motor Location: Planet Earth Posts: 479 Thanks: 69 Thanked 173 Times in 93 Posts Mentioned: 1 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	who needs tuning skills when you have photoshop skills!

03-15-2013, 10:50 AM	#11
7thgear i'm sorry, what? Join Date: Jan 2012 Drives: Canada Location: I rock a beat harder than you can beat it with rocks Posts: 4,399 Thanks: 357 Thanked 2,506 Times in 1,268 Posts Mentioned: 40 Post(s) Tagged: 3 Thread(s)	here, done NEXT __________________ don't you think if I was wrong, I'd know it?

03-15-2013, 11:36 AM	#13
7thgear i'm sorry, what? Join Date: Jan 2012 Drives: Canada Location: I rock a beat harder than you can beat it with rocks Posts: 4,399 Thanks: 357 Thanked 2,506 Times in 1,268 Posts Mentioned: 40 Post(s) Tagged: 3 Thread(s)	and that's just in reverse! __________________ don't you think if I was wrong, I'd know it?

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