follow ft86club on our blog, twitter or facebook.
FT86CLUB
Ft86Club
Speed By Design
Register Garage Community Calendar Today's Posts Search

Go Back   Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community - FT86CLUB > Technical Topics > Engine, Exhaust, Transmission

Engine, Exhaust, Transmission Discuss the FR-S | 86 | BRZ engine, exhaust and drivetrain.


User Tag List

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 12-16-2018, 05:20 PM   #1
CTOWN360
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2018
Drives: 2013 FRS
Location: Washington
Posts: 10
Thanks: 0
Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Help!!!

Had to change the engine in my 2013 FR-S. I got engine in and put a new battery in also. When I went to start the car I get all the normal lights and dings but the car will not turn over. I tested the starter and it checks good. I checked the inhibitor relay and I get power to it when the key is in the start position. Same with the starter relay. I’ve checked all the fuses and they are fine. Any help is appreciated.
CTOWN360 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-16-2018, 06:22 PM   #2
DarkPira7e
Rust bucket enthusiast
 
DarkPira7e's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2017
Drives: 2013 Turbo Firestorm FRS
Location: Vermont
Posts: 3,934
Thanks: 3,200
Thanked 4,095 Times in 2,045 Posts
Mentioned: 31 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Does it crank at all?
If yes - is there gas in the car? Spark plugs?
If no - Crankshaft / cam position sensor, did you check them? Did you put the engine in, or did someone else?
DarkPira7e is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-16-2018, 06:33 PM   #3
humfrz
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2013
Drives: 2013 FR-S, white, MT
Location: Puyallup, WA
Posts: 29,868
Thanks: 28,790
Thanked 31,816 Times in 16,425 Posts
Mentioned: 708 Post(s)
Tagged: 2 Thread(s)
You might try putting a big wrench on the crankshaft pulley bolt, and turning it, to make sure the engine isn't frozen -

If it's a MT, did you check the clutch switch thing?


humfrz
humfrz is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to humfrz For This Useful Post:
DarkPira7e (12-16-2018), scion fr-s (12-16-2018)
Old 12-16-2018, 07:06 PM   #4
CTOWN360
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2018
Drives: 2013 FRS
Location: Washington
Posts: 10
Thanks: 0
Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
It doesn’t turn over at all. I put the engine in. I will check both. Thank you
CTOWN360 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-16-2018, 07:07 PM   #5
CTOWN360
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2018
Drives: 2013 FRS
Location: Washington
Posts: 10
Thanks: 0
Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by humfrz View Post
You might try putting a big wrench on the crankshaft pulley bolt, and turning it, to make sure the engine isn't frozen -

If it's a MT, did you check the clutch switch thing?


humfrz
Engine will spin with the crank bolt.
CTOWN360 is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to CTOWN360 For This Useful Post:
humfrz (12-16-2018)
Old 12-16-2018, 10:50 PM   #6
humfrz
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2013
Drives: 2013 FR-S, white, MT
Location: Puyallup, WA
Posts: 29,868
Thanks: 28,790
Thanked 31,816 Times in 16,425 Posts
Mentioned: 708 Post(s)
Tagged: 2 Thread(s)
Does the starter even "click"?

Even though the battery is "new" will it pass a load test?

Are the battery connections good and clean?

You might try grounding the negative terminal to the frame with some jumper cables?


humfrz
humfrz is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-16-2018, 11:20 PM   #7
scion fr-s
Senior Member
 
scion fr-s's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2017
Drives: 2017 PP BRZ
Location: California
Posts: 201
Thanks: 56
Thanked 53 Times in 43 Posts
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by CTOWN360 View Post
Had to change the engine in my 2013 FR-S. I got engine in and put a new battery in also. When I went to start the car I get all the normal lights and dings but the car will not turn over. I tested the starter and it checks good. I checked the inhibitor relay and I get power to it when the key is in the start position. Same with the starter relay. I’ve checked all the fuses and they are fine. Any help is appreciated.
See if the radiator fans spin by hand!
scion fr-s is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-17-2018, 12:18 AM   #8
DarkPira7e
Rust bucket enthusiast
 
DarkPira7e's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2017
Drives: 2013 Turbo Firestorm FRS
Location: Vermont
Posts: 3,934
Thanks: 3,200
Thanked 4,095 Times in 2,045 Posts
Mentioned: 31 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Check all grounds, the starter may not be grounded. You said you checked all fuses so ecu fuse isnt the culprit, and if it's not cranking at all, probably isn't a sensor
DarkPira7e is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-17-2018, 10:04 AM   #9
CTOWN360
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2018
Drives: 2013 FRS
Location: Washington
Posts: 10
Thanks: 0
Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by humfrz View Post
Does the starter even "click"?

Even though the battery is "new" will it pass a load test?

Are the battery connections good and clean?

You might try grounding the negative terminal to the frame with some jumper cables?


humfrz
No I have not done a load test on the battery other then sticking in my other car and having it start just fine. There is no click. i have checked the signal wire going to the starter when it is in the start position and it is not getting power.
CTOWN360 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-17-2018, 10:05 AM   #10
CTOWN360
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2018
Drives: 2013 FRS
Location: Washington
Posts: 10
Thanks: 0
Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by DarkPira7e View Post
Check all grounds, the starter may not be grounded. You said you checked all fuses so ecu fuse isnt the culprit, and if it's not cranking at all, probably isn't a sensor
I made sure to hook them all up but maybe they need better cleaning. will check again.
CTOWN360 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-17-2018, 12:09 PM   #11
CTOWN360
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2018
Drives: 2013 FRS
Location: Washington
Posts: 10
Thanks: 0
Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by CTOWN360 View Post
Had to change the engine in my 2013 FR-S. I got engine in and put a new battery in also. When I went to start the car I get all the normal lights and dings but the car will not turn over. I tested the starter and it checks good. I checked the inhibitor relay and I get power to it when the key is in the start position. Same with the starter relay. I’ve checked all the fuses and they are fine. Any help is appreciated.
UPDATE-- Things i have tried.

1) out the key in the start position and move the gear shift from park to neutral. Nothing
2) checked power to the starter from the batter. Good. Checked for power to other wire while in the start position.. Nothing.
3) pulled the inhibitor relay. put the car to the start position and one off the 4 wires gets power.
4) pulled the starter relay and same results as the inhibitor relay.

5) pulled the crank shaft position sensor. Did an OHMs check.. checks good.
CTOWN360 is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to CTOWN360 For This Useful Post:
humfrz (12-18-2018)
Old 12-18-2018, 09:41 PM   #12
humfrz
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2013
Drives: 2013 FR-S, white, MT
Location: Puyallup, WA
Posts: 29,868
Thanks: 28,790
Thanked 31,816 Times in 16,425 Posts
Mentioned: 708 Post(s)
Tagged: 2 Thread(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by CTOWN360 View Post
UPDATE-- Things i have tried.

1) out the key in the start position and move the gear shift from park to neutral. Nothing
2) checked power to the starter from the batter. Good. Checked for power to other wire while in the start position.. Nothing.
3) pulled the inhibitor relay. put the car to the start position and one off the 4 wires gets power.
4) pulled the starter relay and same results as the inhibitor relay.

5) pulled the crank shaft position sensor. Did an OHMs check.. checks good.

Update?






humfrz
humfrz is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-18-2018, 10:56 PM   #13
LunarStorm86
Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2018
Drives: 2016 FR-S RS2.0
Location: Louisiana
Posts: 27
Thanks: 2
Thanked 25 Times in 13 Posts
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
does the instrument cluster show that its in park or neutral when you have it in either? you say you swapped engines, double check the connectors at the back of the engine where the trans section ties into the engine harness. could be connector not snapped in all the way. I doubt you blew a fuse swapping an engine unless you dropped a tool across both terminals while they were still connected. even then, I doubt it. check the connectors like I said and get back with us.
LunarStorm86 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-19-2018, 07:47 PM   #14
CTOWN360
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2018
Drives: 2013 FRS
Location: Washington
Posts: 10
Thanks: 0
Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by LunarStorm86 View Post
does the instrument cluster show that its in park or neutral when you have it in either? you say you swapped engines, double check the connectors at the back of the engine where the trans section ties into the engine harness. could be connector not snapped in all the way. I doubt you blew a fuse swapping an engine unless you dropped a tool across both terminals while they were still connected. even then, I doubt it. check the connectors like I said and get back with us.
That connector was the first one I looked at. Yes it shows park and neutral and changes as I shift it.
CTOWN360 is offline   Reply With Quote
 
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 06:27 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
User Alert System provided by Advanced User Tagging v3.3.0 (Lite) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2024 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.

Garage vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.