Showa spring/shock available soon

[Cole]

Originally Posted by venturaII

If calling out bs info is wrong, then I'll gladly wear that hat.

All he knows is manufacturer marketing material. It isn't even worth the conversation. When he gets called out, he likes to change the topic.

[venturaII]

Originally Posted by Cole

All he knows is manufacturer marketing material. It isn't even worth the conversation. When he gets called out, he likes to change the topic.

Yeah, I've noticed his posts in other technical threads were nothing but marketing buzzwords. The whole Cayman/multilink suspension thing was the point where he really blew the whistle on his own technical ignorance...

"It is difficult to describe in words how an advanced multi-link rear suspension works."

I wasn't the only one who noticed though..lol

Originally Posted by fatoni

Nah. You have no idea what you're talking about.

Ignoring from now on.

[gtengr]

Originally Posted by Norkoastal

Finally got this set installed. Break in period had me worried, but overall more comiant on bad roads than my sti silver and pink sti spring combo. A little noisier than the old setup, but the setup feels stock plus overall, and doesnt introduce too much lean in the turns. For the price of the set id say this was a good buy. For those on decent roads this would be a nice stock swap.

What kind of noise? More suspension noise? Thanks for sharing I'm very interested in how those two setups compare.

Originally Posted by mav1178

If you want to compare these to the factory Sachs (PP) or Bilstein (tS), of course those are better. It's not even in the same realm of conversation.

Why? What is the technical basis? I don't have a stance really except I don't think an oem Sachs shock that comes in a $1.1k package on a $25k car is going to be all that special.

[Capt Spaulding]

Originally Posted by venturaII

Yeah, I've noticed his posts in other technical threads were nothing but marketing buzzwords. The whole Cayman/multilink suspension thing was the point where he really blew the whistle on his own technical ignorance...

"It is difficult to describe in words how an advanced multi-link rear suspension works."

I wasn't the only one who noticed though..lol



Ignoring from now on.

As a comparative babe in the woods on the subject of suspension design, I see what you're saying. I'm still in the dark as the the operation of multilink systems. Could you offer a reader's digest condensed version on how these things work?

Edit: Actually, I kinda, sorta, "thought" I understood them a little, but with all the arrows flying around, I've become confused. Can someone offer a verbal description/explanation that makes sense to a lay person?

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by venturaII

Yeah, I've noticed his posts in other technical threads were nothing but marketing buzzwords. The whole Cayman/multilink suspension thing was the point where he really blew the whistle on his own technical ignorance...

"It is difficult to describe in words how an advanced multi-link rear suspension works."

I wasn't the only one who noticed though..lol



Ignoring from now on.

for a second i was like , "why are you ignoring me?"

[venturaII]

Originally Posted by Capt Spaulding

As a comparative babe in the woods on the subject of suspension design, I see what you're saying. I'm still in the dark as the the operation of multilink systems. Could you offer a reader's digest condensed version on how these things work?

Edit: Actually, I kinda, sorta, "thought" I understood them a little, but with all the arrows flying around, I've become confused. Can someone offer a verbal description/explanation that makes sense to a lay person?

All a multilink design does is allow for the wheel to change geometry along multiple axes as the suspension cycles through it's stroke, versus only one or two with simpler design like a MacStrut. It simply allows for more optimal alignment numbers in toe, camber, caster, etc. throughout a larger range of wheel movement/deflection while covering the spread between comfort and performance better. Increasing the area under the curve, so to speak.

You can make ANY suspension type handle well simply by restricting movement - the wheel has more tendency to stay perpendicular to the road surface as a result. But that has a negative impact on comfort and compliance, both of which are important components of an overall suspension system which is capable of operating within a wide range of environmental conditions. It's not as important on a more focused car, where the expectation is already set that the car will be less of a 'multi-tasker'. But even enthusiasts today expect that nearly all cars should do nearly all things well. Multilink designs allow this to be accomplished easier and to a greater degree.

[churchx]

McPherson also has it's pros, like being cheaper & simpler (good for cheap cars like ours), and being more compact/lighter vs multilink/double wishbone setups (a must, due our wide boxer engines, leaving limited space for suspension in front). Everything is compromise. Those "better" designs too.
And not as if it matters much what those other cars have for their suspension. Different cars for different owners discussing about them in different forums.
And imho flaming/offtopic in last two pages starts getting a bit out of hands.

[mav1178]

Originally Posted by gtengr

Why? What is the technical basis? I don't have a stance really except I don't think an oem Sachs shock that comes in a $1.1k package on a $25k car is going to be all that special.

Comparing to a 2013+ "base" car with stock Showa shocks, here's what OEM Sachs or OEM Bilstein (STI) offer as an upgrade:

• OEM warranty (12 months by itself or 36 months if you are buying it with the car new)
• Good performance out of box.
• Longer shock body design, better for shock performance. Internal valving usually better matched for the spring it is designed for.
• Some have inverted monotube design. (up to you if this is a benefit or not for a street car).

Comparing Showa Tuning shocks vs the OEM Sachs (Performance Package) or OEM Bilstein (STi/tS) cars, here's the benefits:

• Similar performance for a fraction of cost vs OEM units. (Unit price of Sachs or Bilstein via Subaru is cost prohibitive.)
  
• Built to same OE standards as factory Showa units, minus warranty coverage.

Comparing Showa Tuning shocks vs the OEM Showa shocks, here's the benefits:

• Better performance for a fraction of cost vs OEM units.
• Bridges the gap between replacing worn out OE shocks vs entry level coilovers.

All other comparisons vs aftermarket spring/shock, entry level coilovers, etc depend entirely on end user individual needs.

-alex

[Trueweltall]

Recently purchased the Showa Tuning Evolution with 35/44 N/mm, -15/-15mm, going to install it within the next month along with a bunch of bushings. I haven't seen much on this forum about it so I am excited to get them installed.

[Vital]

Originally Posted by Trueweltall

Recently purchased the Showa Tuning Evolution with 35/44 N/mm, -15/-15mm, going to install it within the next month along with a bunch of bushings. I haven't seen much on this forum about it so I am excited to get them installed.

Please post pics if you can and let us know your thoughts on them. I am interested in these as well.

[Trueweltall]

Sure thing, I will do before and after.

[Horrid_Funk]

Yeah these look nice. I have a PP and when the shocks wear out from track use I think these may be a good replacement, especially since they have a nice conservative drop. I look forward to hearing your thoughts as well.

[Lincoln Logs]

I'd take these over 95% of the coilovers in the same price range. Looks like a great option for a daily driver.

[Trueweltall]

They have arrived.





No idea if I put the right spring on the right strut, just threw it together for these pictures. After looking at the instructions(actually just all precautions and Japanese law about vehicle height) in Japanese, the only thing that stands out is that the warranty is only valid in Japan.

Spring part number for the front struts are "V0491-3806" and the rear is "V0492-3806" so in my picture they are not correctly placed on the right struts. For anyone who also buys these kits the V0491 is always the front spring and V0492 is the rear.

http://showa-tuning.com/_src/sc650/86_parts_list.pdf