Edelbrock E-force Owner's thread and FAQs (Frequently Asked Questions)

[NotSoJDM]

I posted this in the FB group, but I'll put it here as well. I went to the track over the weekend, and managed to get some more temp data. I overlayed the data from this weekend (on e85) with the data I took in November (on 93). Ambient temps were similar (around 65). The only difference aside from fuel type was the removal of the factory snorkel this go around.



Since the data is colored to differentiate fuel type, I'll go ahead and tell you IAT is the bottom curve, Coolant Temp is the middle curve, and Oil Temp is the top curve.


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[BigFatFlip]

Originally Posted by NotSoJDM

I posted this in the FB group, but I'll put it here as well. I went to the track over the weekend, and managed to get some more temp data. I overlayed the data from this weekend (on e85) with the data I took in November (on 93). Ambient temps were similar (around 65). The only difference aside from fuel type was the removal of the factory snorkel this go around.

Very interesting. You always hear about how E85 "runs cooler" but it's nice to have the data to match.

[Paulo86]

I can't explain how much faster the car is now ... i took 262 km/h (163mph) (german highway) in 5 gear and i had enough power to accelerate more in 6 gear but i have winter tires on it and i won't go faster. I will try it with my summer tires in a month or less i think ! Maybe i will it the 300km/h (190mph) =P For the 0 to 60 mph time 5.2 seconds with my AT.

Specs of the car :
Stock header
Stock OP
Stock FP
Agency power cat back

Edelbrock supercharger kit

Delicious tuning special 98ron octane gas tune.

The way the car work is just perfect for me, torque dip is gone, power come real fast and holy s**t THAT POWER !
It really kick me back in the seat, great torque and power everywhere, revs in neutral are impressive, engine is just like i want it to be !
no trouble with the kit or tune. No bucking or everything else, no dead pedal feeling. I enjoy this kit so mutch !
Smooth operation of the supercharger, no lag, you want power and torque he's there for you anytime !

Sound is cool, on board i hear a little whistling sound like à turbo, outside we can hear the twin screew sound.

I install it myself, so i can say, edelbrock you've done a great job, your kit is perfect, and thank's to delicious tuning for the great tune !

EDIT : DYNO DAY 3 MARCH !

[Lunatic]

Well it's been quite a struggle with my new Edelbrock supercharger. 5 weeks to be exact. Mostly idle problems, or just off idle. Tonight a found a line going to one of my radium catch cans that had come apart under the supercharger. Made a big difference once it was fixed. Still have some idle issues to iron out but anything above 1500 rpm LOOK OUT. Tonights test run on e-85.

[paiceyfan]

You have me worried... I am just about to pull the trigger on this kit, but all these issues, even though minor, should not be happening. Is there a bad batch, as has been previously suggested?

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[NahumCC]

Originally Posted by clayrush

I'll upload the dyno graph when I get home
But it made 295hp, from 187. And 213 Tq from 146.
Both numbers were on e85. Full catless exaust and Borla uel header.

The car is having some stalling issues when it comes to a stop. They are going to look into it next weekend.
I am going up after work to pick her up.

Originally Posted by Uplink

Lightweight setups like a SPEC clutch/fw combo can cause decel stalling on these cars? Is it more prevalent in SC applications?

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

Light flywheels have a tendency to do that, especially if you have a super light one.

Concur with what Mike has said. I ran a SPEC lightweight flywheel on my SAAB and it took about a week and a half for the auto adapt feature of the Trionic 5 ECU to fully adjust to the lightweight flywheel under decel to stop, a/c kicking in at a stop, etc. to where it wouldn't bog down or possibly stall. Not sure how long the Toyota ECU's take to adapt but hopefully the nuisance will self heal itself or modify the tune with the tuner.

[The Racers Line]

Originally Posted by paiceyfan

You have me worried... I am just about to pull the trigger on this kit, but all these issues, even though minor, should not be happening. Is there a bad batch, as has been previously suggested?

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I wouldn't worry too much. Most of the issues have been installation related, not kit quality.

[MicheleAbbate]

Originally Posted by The Racers Line

I wouldn't worry too much. Most, of the issues have been installation related, not kit quality.

This.

[BigFatFlip]

Originally Posted by Lunatic

Well it's been quite a struggle with my new Edelbrock supercharger. 5 weeks to be exact. Mostly idle problems, or just off idle. Tonight a found a line going to one of my radium catch cans that had come apart under the supercharger. Made a big difference once it was fixed. Still have some idle issues to iron out but anything above 1500 rpm LOOK OUT. Tonights test run on e-85.

Sorry to hear that Lunatic, I know we've been all impressed during the factory tour and have been won over by what it can do (the Korean BBQ with you and Neal was also a treat). Just to be clear, the idle problem was in both 91 and E85, correct? Not one or the other?

Very impressive numbers none the less. Hope you get things squared away soon. Are you running an after market clutch also?

[Lunatic]

Originally Posted by BigFatFlip

Sorry to hear that Lunatic, I know we've been all impressed during the factory tour and have been won over by what it can do (the Korean BBQ with you and Neal was also a treat). Just to be clear, the idle problem was in both 91 and E85, correct? Not one or the other?

Very impressive numbers none the less. Hope you get things squared away soon. Are you running an after market clutch also?

The problem was with both 91 and e-85. RPM at stops would drop so low engine would die. I have the automatic so I couldn't just step on the clutch. The problem was a line going to one of my Radium catch cans had not been installed properly and had come apart under the supercharger. This was sucking air. we couldn't see this and didn't discover it until we started pulling on lines. Once fixed the idly smoothed out. Still need some tuning tweaks which Delicious Tuning is working on. Still getting a P0068 check engine light/fault code, and I have lost the rev match for down shifts which still has to be sorted out, but yes I am happy with the performance.

[CounterSpace Garage]

Originally Posted by Lunatic

The problem was with both 91 and e-85. RPM at stops would drop so low engine would die. I have the automatic so I couldn't just step on the clutch. The problem was a line going to one of my Radium catch cans had not been installed properly and had come apart under the supercharger. This was sucking air. we couldn't see this and didn't discover it until we started pulling on lines. Once fixed the idly smoothed out. Still need some tuning tweaks which Delicious Tuning is working on. Still getting a P0068 check engine light/fault code, and I have lost the rev match for down shifts which still has to be sorted out, but yes I am happy with the performance.

Keep checking the lines to the catch cans and back to the engine. On the rare occasion, the lines tend to pop off slightly under boost and cause it to leak just enough to trigger that CEL code, which is historically known to trigger for boosted setups when there's a small leak in the EVAP line or one of the lines from the catch cans.

[Lunatic]

Originally Posted by CounterSpace Garage

Keep checking the lines to the catch cans and back to the engine. On the rare occasion, the lines tend to pop off slightly under boost and cause it to leak just enough to trigger that CEL code, which is historically known to trigger for boosted setups when there's a small leak in the EVAP line or one of the lines from the catch cans.

Will do, we also put clamps on all connections where no clamps were.

[DeliciousTuning]

Originally Posted by Lunatic

The problem was with both 91 and e-85. RPM at stops would drop so low engine would die. I have the automatic so I couldn't just step on the clutch. The problem was a line going to one of my Radium catch cans had not been installed properly and had come apart under the supercharger. This was sucking air. we couldn't see this and didn't discover it until we started pulling on lines. Once fixed the idly smoothed out. Still need some tuning tweaks which Delicious Tuning is working on. Still getting a P0068 check engine light/fault code, and I have lost the rev match for down shifts which still has to be sorted out, but yes I am happy with the performance.

To be clear, this vehicle is still leaking air. The P0068 is a symptom of this leak, and the rev matching is gone because the code is being thrown. Rev matching will not be operational when the vehicle has this code active in the system. Logs indicate much higher pressure at idle than normal (less vacuum), coupled with wildly positive fuel trims, which indicate a leak is still present.

Also of note is that logs were reviewed thoroughly before the car left CSG after installation. Vacuum was proper as were trims, and the car was running quite well. It was not until the drive home that these symptoms started occurring, which would suggest that the leak occurred after the car left the shop.

Sincerely,

Zach
Delicious Tuning

[Lunatic]

Another problem hopefully solved. I took my car to my local Scion dealer this morning to try and find out why I keep getting a CEL fault code. P0068 MAP/MAF. The technician spent over 3 hours trouble shooting the problem and discovered he could wiggle my MAF sensor, which would send false readings to the ECU. The way he explained it is the MAF sensor could not be properly seated in Edelbrock's intake pipe because the clamp cam on the hose clamp was at 12 o'clock and was interfering with the seating of the sensor. Even though the two screws were tight the sensor was lose and he would get all sorts of false signals when he wiggled it. He repositioned the clamp to the 9 o'clock position and was able to seat the sensor properly. I don't know if this is a design flaw or a installation mistake but something I wanted to pass along to all so they won't have to go through what I have been through.