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As for the rev dip and cricket noises, my post wasn't intended to address issues, it was just about what we'd all like to see in these cars from the factory. Issues are another story altogether. BTW, I don't think an FR-S equipped with my list (small turbo, lower ride height, and bigger wheels & tires) would be a threat to an IS-F in price or performance. |
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Again, so called "simple" upgrades in cars, Automobile companies gotta go through CRAP LOAD of stuff to make it "simple". |
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How many times does someone post that aftermarket wheels/tires mess up the ride or make it too stiff? Someone just posted a review thread and made that exact observation. If Toyota/Subaru spec'd lower springs, they'd surely do it right and tune the rest of the suspension for an acceptable balance of ride & handling. Same goes for the bigger wheels & tires. This car as it is now is a compromise. But what you also have to realize is that the car as I would have liked to see it is also a compromise. So either way, the development costs are there. If the car was designed from day one with my wishes in mind, the end result wouldn't be a significantly more expensive car than we have today. Maybe a bit more expensive, but nothing outrageous. Also keep in mind that this is just a wish list of how we would have liked to see the car from the factory. My main gripes are that it needs more torque (and a bit more power), needs to get rid of the 4x4 wheel gaps, and needs some bigger rubber. Address those three things and I think the car would have been an even bigger success than it is so far. BTW, it's interesting to note that the car in your signature is obviously lowered and has bigger wheel & tires on it. So I think it's safe to say that you'd like to see the same basic look that I mentioned above. |
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Also keep in mind that development costs are a one-time cost. Once the car is developed and the work is done, then the cost can be divided among the cars sold. And if you sell even more cars as a result, then that ends up a good thing. Hell, Mazda did it with the MX-5 Miata. Remember the factory turbocharged version? The one that also had a revised suspension and bigger wheels & tires? Think of all the development costs involved, yet they still did it and managed to keep the price tag reasonable. |
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I'm not making excuses, I'm providing examples. Mazda is a PERFECT example of a company that made the same changes I'd like to see on their small sports car. And they did it with a $25,000 price tag on the car. This is not about who's right or who's wrong. I just think if Mazda can pull it off, so can Toyota/Subaru. Will we ever see it? Who knows? I'd love to see it happen though. Actually, if I could go back in time to 2004, I'd buy a brand new turbo Miata off the lot and make it a low-mileage weekend car.
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1. Supercharger
2. gt86 aesthetic package I believe TRD is going the correct route with the supercharger, keeping the philosphy and balance of the car in mind. A turbo has a sharp torque curve, and I believe this particular car to be more fluid. A supercharger would compliment the fluid nature of the power band.
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Upgrade to a ko4 and you have more lag, sharper curve. Look at the curve of the disco potato, even that puts a rather large and sudden torque increase.
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It's not so much how it has to be designed, but more so about which options it would have been nice to have available for me. I think it would have been cool if the stitching/bolster color was matched to the paint, or if there was an option to change it. Red works with most of the colors, but I think it would have added some more personality if the seats and stitching matched the car.
A wheel option would have been nice. I know I can probably get better/nicer looking wheels from aftermarket, but there's something about the factory option that appeals to me. I guess it's all about receiving the car perfect, and not having to change a thing myself. So, if I could have switched to better looking, black wheels, I would have liked that. Maybe a spoiler? I like the JDM spoilers a lot. Trim piece/console panels matched to the paint. I like the black interior, but I also think it would be cool if I could have the door trim or some of the plastic pieces around the interior matched to the paint. Going back to the stitching, just adds some character. I guess that's really it. The car is pretty much perfect as it is. I feel like my changes are pretty minor. Edit: I like the JDM fog lights too. Those standard or as an option would be good as well.
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I agree. It seems kinda lame that there are no optional factory wheels. It's even more lame that both the Scion & Subaru use the same wheels. I guess it was due to cost, but come on....they couldn't even offer unique wheels between the two brands?
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