NA first drive days for GR86 first week of August

[mazeroni]

Originally Posted by Kona61

That’s 12k more than the BRZ and you likely need to option it up further to around 15k of difference. I don’t see the value for myself.

8 year car loans!

But yea, for me, when I get a GR86, the trade-in, plus 5K cash should get my 3 year car loan to around $350/mo. or less.

Not too bad, in my opinion, considering my FR-S loan was 6 years.

Moving up to a $40K~45K car would require either stretching the loan to 6 or 7 years with the same money down and more interest, or putting down nearly 15K in cash instead for a 3 year loan. Not to mention all of the extra tax. Also, the 400Z won't fit my mountain bike.

So yea, for me, going to the 400Z is an order of magnitude greater investment that I don't see a worth it. Sure, 400hp is nice, but I barely have room to go full throttle in the FRS with 200hp.

[mazeroni]

Automatic vs Manual Track Drive from TheTopher

[StE92ve]

Originally Posted by mazeroni

Automatic vs Manual Track Drive from TheTopher

I think it's pretty clear. If you plan on tracking your GR86, MT is the way to go. If your GR86 will never touch a track, you can't go wrong with either the MT or AT based on personal preferences or situations.

Bottom line: the GR86 will be a fun car to drive whether as a racer or a DD.

[mazeroni]

Originally Posted by StE92ve

I think it's pretty clear. If you plan on tracking your GR86, MT is the way to go. If your GR86 will never touch a track, you can't go wrong with either the MT or AT based on personal preferences or situations.

Bottom line: the GR86 will be a fun car to drive whether as a racer or a DD.

I can't remember what car it was... I might have seen it on the Smoking Tire... but when you hit the downshift paddle, if it won't give you the gear right then , after you slow down enough it will auto downshift based on you hitting the paddle.

So you eliminate that problem where you hit the paddle and it won't downshift and have to keep hitting it.

Based on this video, I think the automatics could use that feature. It really just doesn't want to downshift, even with there being enough revs.

[humdizzle]

its just an old gearbox. the only good automatic toyota makes is the 10 speed in the lc500. the ZF8 in the supra and whatever 8 speed is in the is500 or RCF isn't good enough.

would be nice if they could offer a DCT like the volster N. I'd consider it.

[Sasquachulator]

Originally Posted by humdizzle

its just an old gearbox. the only good automatic toyota makes is the 10 speed in the lc500. the ZF8 in the supra and whatever 8 speed is in the is500 or RCF isn't good enough.

would be nice if they could offer a DCT like the volster N. I'd consider it.

The 8 speed in our X1 is pretty good. Its apparently an Aisin (toyota) unit too, which would make sense since the car is FWD based instead of RWD like the other cars equipped with the ZF transmission.

It all comes down to shift logic programming, and i think most manufacturers just tune them for maximum efficiency rather than gearing them for maximum performance and response.

[mazeroni]

Another Topher Old Manual Vs New Manual on the track.

*Both on Primacy tires.

[StE92ve]

Originally Posted by mazeroni

Another Topher Old Manual Vs New Manual on the track.

Starting @ 5:10 Topher says Pilot Sport 4 is a high performance all season?


Hopefully he meant that the AS no cost option is the Pilot Sport AS 4 which would be a great improvement over the Bridgestone Turanzas offered on Gen1.

[Blighty]

Originally Posted by mazeroni

I can't remember what car it was... I might have seen it on the Smoking Tire... but when you hit the downshift paddle, if it won't give you the gear right then , after you slow down enough it will auto downshift based on you hitting the paddle.

So you eliminate that problem where you hit the paddle and it won't downshift and have to keep hitting it.

Based on this video, I think the automatics could use that feature. It really just doesn't want to downshift, even with there being enough revs.

Was smoking tire the guy that did the podcast with some early info?

Yeah I think he said it took him a while to acclimatise in automatic to the track mode rev display. It doesn't want to shift down a gear until your around 4k, which is so close to the edge of the display because of how its constructed (with minimal 0-4k area).

I think once you got a handle on it, you would be totally fine.

[Caeser]

I finally realized why the cup holder kept disappearing. Auto has an extra cup holder and manual doesn't.

[Jianlun]

A rough summary of his comparison between the old and new.
1. Old has more character.
2. Old has less sharp handling.
3. Old has less grip.
4. And of cause power.

[Frost]

Originally Posted by Jianlun

A rough summary of his comparison between the old and new.
1. Old has more character.
2. Old has less sharp handling.
3. Old has less grip.
4. And of cause power.

"Character" - that is sooooo subjective.

[nikitopo]

Originally Posted by Jianlun

A rough summary of his comparison between the old and new.
1. Old has more character.
2. Old has less sharp handling.
3. Old has less grip.
4. And of cause power.

Yep. I've heard others saying the same. Old car is more playful and fun to drive with same tires. If you don't like it, then you can put stickier tires.

[Lantanafrs2]

Lots of times better equals less character. Antique fire engines have character as do steam tractors. There are good reasons for both being obsolete