New BRZ vs Z

[Jordanwolf]

Originally Posted by Transport3r

How do you spin the rear wheels?

Easy problems have easy solutions. ReLeAsE tHe ElEtRoNiC pArKiNg BrAkE. This will allow your rear wheels to spin. My work here is done.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Jordanwolf

Did somebody say civic. I am here, what do you need. It is my duty to educate the 5x100s on Civics.

Well played!

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by TommyW

Besides the recall fiasco which wasn’t the cars fault but the incompetent dealers, I haven’t had 1 problem with this car even on track. The majority of these cars are purchased by the younger crowd and are sometimes misused and not maintained properly. Either of these or a combo of both will compromise the reliability.

Not true. At least not until they became available used in quantities that made them cheaper.

[TommyW]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Not true. At least not until they became available used in quantities that made them cheaper.

That very well may be as far as new however overall current ownership appears to be much younger that the graph shows or else there's a shitload of very young looking 45 year olds driving around in em.

[Willpower]

I have to say I’m the only “mature” guy in my area that I see in one. Everybody else driving is a kid. And I don’t even care haha. Honestly I don’t see many at all. Most of the time when I do it’s an FRS or 86. Very few BRZs, which suits me just fine too.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by TommyW

That very well may be as far as new however overall current ownership appears to be much younger that the graph shows or else there's a shitload of very young looking 45 year olds driving around in em.

Current owners don't mean a thing. If you are buying one 5th hand you deserve what you get!
The point was that there are/were loads of ones owned by "older" people. In fact 80% were at one point.
Even this forum has a much larger "older" population than many would ever guess.

I don't buy the whole "young guys all beat on and don't take care of their cars" thing anyway. Many actually take better care than some older guys.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Willpower

I have to say I’m the only “mature” guy in my area that I see in one. Everybody else driving is a kid. And I don’t even care haha. Honestly I don’t see many at all. Most of the time when I do it’s an FRS or 86. Very few BRZs, which suits me just fine too.

The majority I see in my area seem to be middle aged women!

[Red-86]

Originally Posted by shiumai

Don't forget the hot hatches.

If they still made swoopy, 3-door “coupe” style hot hatches (like the prior gen Megane RS, Astra VXR, or my fav, the Scirocco R etc) then they’d still be in contention for me vs a dedicated RWD sports car, even with FWD.

Alas, the 3-door hot hatches are virtually gone now in favour of uglier but more practical 5-door versions because the 3-doors sold in low volumes. I think the only 3-door hatch still available new (certainly in Oz) is the Mini Cooper. I can’t ever see a boxy 5-door hatch as a “sportscar” however quick it is. Many of today’s 5-door hot hatches are quicker than dedicated RWD sports cars like the MX-5, 86, or 370Z, but the hatches are still an appliance first and foremost. I feel similarly about the ‘super-SUVs’ that are so fast. Impressive numbers, but just not proper sportscars. Too big, too heavy, you sit far too high and they lack the style and road presence of a coupe.

Megane:

VXR:


Scirocco:

[ZDan]

Originally Posted by Red-86

Alas, the 3-door hot hatches are virtually gone now in favour of uglier but more practical 5-door versions because the 3-doors sold in low volumes.

IMO the 3-door versions of fwd-based "hot hatches" look WAY worse, awkward a.f. Being fwd and having semi-OK power, they *need* the rear wheels shoved way aft to keep load on the front drive wheels. So they tend to have longish wheelbases. In 3-door "coupe" form they just end up looking ridiculous with all that space between the doors and the rear wheels, even with elongated doors. To me, unless somebody's gonna make a new dedicated 2-seater 3-door CRX, any 2+2 fwd "hot hatch" may as well be a 5-door.

[Dirty Harry]

Originally Posted by Red-86

Alas, the 3-door hot hatches are virtually gone now in favour of uglier but more practical 5-door versions because the 3-doors sold in low volumes. I think the only 3-door hatch still available new (certainly in Oz) is the Mini Cooper.

GR Yaris?

Originally Posted by ZDan

IMO the 3-door versions of fwd-based "hot hatches" look WAY worse, awkward a.f. Being fwd and having semi-OK power, they *need* the rear wheels shoved way aft to keep load on the front drive wheels. So they tend to have longish wheelbases. In 3-door "coupe" form they just end up looking ridiculous with all that space between the doors and the rear wheels, even with elongated doors. To me, unless somebody's gonna make a new dedicated 2-seater 3-door CRX, any 2+2 fwd "hot hatch" may as well be a 5-door.

Not quite like a CRX but the wheels aren’t pushed too far back and has 30% front/70% rear wheel split in sport mode.

[Willpower]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

The majority I see in my area seem to be middle aged women!

Haha I don’t think I’ve ever seen a woman of any age driving one of these down here. I’m in South Carolina. Which is sad :/

[DarkSideFRS]

Originally Posted by Willpower

Haha I don’t think I’ve ever seen a woman of any age driving one of these down here. I’m in South Carolina. Which is sad :/

Tons around socal. It's a chick car

[Jordanwolf]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

The majority I see in my area seem to be middle aged women!

Very much this in my area too. White BRZs.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Jordanwolf

Very much this in my area too. White BRZs.

Yep. White BRZ or red FRS'.