Over heating with FI

[sw20kosh]

Originally Posted by justinsstang

Well if they're saying it needs an upgraded radiator and an oil cooler then it's oil and coolant temps.

So mounting the turbo under the car with header wrap and a turbo blanket should definitely remedy any heating issues.

No.

[justinsstang]

Originally Posted by sw20kosh

No.

No what? If the turbo isn't in the engine bay, then neither is the downpipe. No hot side exhaust parts would need to be routed in to the engine bay...

Explain your "No." please.

[sw20kosh]

Originally Posted by justinsstang

No what? If the turbo isn't in the engine bay, then neither is the downpipe. No hot side exhaust parts would need to be routed in to the engine bay...

Explain your "No." please.

Doesn't matter where the turbo is, you are still going to need to deal with added heat in the system. Increasing power proportionally increases heat generation of the engine. Running a supercharger requires a large oil cooler to be installed when tracking the setup. Turbos not only increase power and heat in the engine but they dump heat into the coolant system as they use coolant to cool down the center cartridge.

With Ptuning turbo systems (bottom/rear mount kits) a friend and I both had to run oil coolers that were more than double the size of the standard off the shelf oil cooler (setrab 25 row series 9) in order for the car to not overheat on track. Stock radiator did not need replacing. Keep the oil temps down and the coolant will also stay down.

@mkivsoopra a few days ago at Button Willow Raceway in 99F weather (temps in lower right):

He would only be able to do 2-3 laps before when using a standard Perrin 13 row oil cooler. Now he can do however many he wants.

[Illuminaughty]

Originally Posted by sw20kosh

Doesn't matter where the turbo is, you are still going to need to deal with added heat in the system. Increasing power proportionally increases heat generation of the engine. Running a supercharger requires a large oil cooler to be installed when tracking the setup. Turbos not only increase power and heat in the engine but they dump heat into the coolant system as they use coolant to cool down the center cartridge.

With Ptuning turbo systems (bottom/rear mount kits) a friend and I both had to run oil coolers that were more than double the size of the standard off the shelf oil cooler (setrab 25 row series 9) in order for the car to not overheat on track. Stock radiator did not need replacing. Keep the oil temps down and the coolant will also stay down.

@mkivsoopra a few days ago at Button Willow Raceway in 99F weather (temps in lower right):

He would only be able to do 2-3 laps before when using a standard Perrin 13 row oil cooler. Now he can do however many he wants.

That's pretty extreme. What oil temps did you guys see at cruise on a highway before going with the bigger oil cooler? I'm running the SBD kit and with NO oil cooler (don't you worry I'd never track it without one) my oil temps are never above 230F. I know highway cruise is literally the complete other side of the spectrum from hot lapping it, but I'm curious to know what your temps were if you remember.

Thanks

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by 350matt

Hi Mike

was that a coated Nameless header?

coated and wrapped, coated only, nothing, all yield similar results.

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by industrial

Hmm yeah ok, I remember reading all that drama earlier this year. Did you guys ever get to track another sbd turbo to see if the results replicated?

Those fans were from a greddy kit, and yes, we've melted multiple fans, both OEM and aftermarket.

Given the SBD copies the Greddy design, I'd expect the same, but I've yet to see a SBD kit show up at the track at the events I go to, and I'm on track to be at the track 80+ days this year (pun intended).

Of course, if a owner is not driving fast/hard enough, then you won't generate enough heat to get the manifold glowing hot, and melt the fans.

[sw20kosh]

Originally Posted by Illuminaughty

That's pretty extreme. What oil temps did you guys see at cruise on a highway before going with the bigger oil cooler? I'm running the SBD kit and with NO oil cooler (don't you worry I'd never track it without one) my oil temps are never above 230F. I know highway cruise is literally the complete other side of the spectrum from hot lapping it, but I'm curious to know what your temps were if you remember.

Thanks

Cruising?

No oil cooler: 230F.
Perrin 13 row: 210F.

Spirited canyoning in 90F ambient?

Perrin: 250F+ after 5 mins. And coolant getting too hot too.

[Illuminaughty]

Originally Posted by sw20kosh

Cruising?

No oil cooler: 230F.
Perrin 13 row: 210F.

Spirited canyoning in 90F ambient?

Perrin: 250F+ after 5 mins. And coolant getting too hot too.

Makes sense, thanks a lot for the info.

[Big LrG]

Good info thread! @CSG Mike, this thread answers my question in the previous one. Terrible to see that you guys are having this much of a hard time with heat. Seems to me that the solution is a boat load of heat reflective tape.

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by Big LrG

Good info thread! @CSG Mike, this thread answers my question in the previous one. Terrible to see that you guys are having this much of a hard time with heat. Seems to me that the solution is a boat load of heat reflective tape.

It's heavy, and in our chase, did not work

[justinsstang]

So which oil cooler would I need to never have to worry about oil temps?

[DustinS]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

Those fans were from a greddy kit, and yes, we've melted multiple fans, both OEM and aftermarket.

Given the SBD copies the Greddy design, I'd expect the same, but I've yet to see a SBD kit show up at the track at the events I go to, and I'm on track to be at the track 80+ days this year (pun intended).

Of course, if a owner is not driving fast/hard enough, then you won't generate enough heat to get the manifold glowing hot, and melt the fans.

FWIW Tracking/heavy backroad usage with my SBD kit yielded no issues with anything melting. Though I have the Spencer Fab Relocating tabs.

I don't think Ed over at Equilibrium Tuning has had issues with them melting either. (Or nothing that I have seen posted). He has also upgraded to the GT3076.

Running a Derale 16 row oil cooler with Max of 231.8F oil temp on track with 80F+ temp.

[justinsstang]

Originally Posted by sw20kosh

Doesn't matter where the turbo is, you are still going to need to deal with added heat in the system. Increasing power proportionally increases heat generation of the engine. Running a supercharger requires a large oil cooler to be installed when tracking the setup. Turbos not only increase power and heat in the engine but they dump heat into the coolant system as they use coolant to cool down the center cartridge.

With Ptuning turbo systems (bottom/rear mount kits) a friend and I both had to run oil coolers that were more than double the size of the standard off the shelf oil cooler (setrab 25 row series 9) in order for the car to not overheat on track. Stock radiator did not need replacing. Keep the oil temps down and the coolant will also stay down.

@mkivsoopra a few days ago at Button Willow Raceway in 99F weather (temps in lower right):

He would only be able to do 2-3 laps before when using a standard Perrin 13 row oil cooler. Now he can do however many he wants.

Is this the oil cooler you have?

http://www.racerpartswholesale.com/p...olers2#reviews

What else would I need to make it work?

[The Racers Line]

Originally Posted by DustinS

I don't think Ed over at Equilibrium Tuning has had issues with them melting either.

He has had more of an engine bay "melting" issue.