Unpopular Opinion: Interesting read..

[Summerwolf]

Originally Posted by ZionsWrath

No, the car wouldn't exist. It was engineered to a price point. It is what it is and I like it. Anyone who wants more power can put more power in it or buy something else. It is very easy. Not sure why people always argue about the power

[DarkSunrise]

This debate about more power for the Twins and Miata is eerily similar to the debate about the Cayman and Boxster S. With those Porsches, there has always been the criticism "Why buy a Cayman/Boxster S with just 325 hp for $70k, when for $40k you can get a Camaro SS/Mustang GT with 420+ hp?" It's the same story with the Twins/Miata, just at a lower price point.

Some people want impressive horsepower in a car that will generate good numbers on paper. Nothing wrong with that, but to meet the price point you compromise on size, weight, seating position, visibility, and feedback.

Others will insist on a small lightweight car with great seating position and feedback. Nothing wrong with that either, but you have to compromise on horsepower to meet the price point.

The solution is simple though - be realistic about what makes you happy and buy accordingly. I'm glad "underpowered" lightweight cars like the Twins, Miata and Cayman/Boxster exist, just like I'm glad big HP cars like the Camaro and Mustang exist. It's like vanilla and chocolate - why would you want a world without one or the other? Variety is good.

I'd love to see higher hp versions of the Twins/Miata/Cayman/Boxster come out, just as I'd love to see smaller, lighter, better seating position, better feedback versions of the Camaro and Mustang come out. It's only human to want more value for your money, but every car is built to a price point so you have to accept certain compromises. That's life. No car manufacturer is going to take a haircut just because you keep whining.

Or if you really want a car the size/weight/feedback of a Twin but turbocharged, then open your wallet and buy the upcoming 2.0L turbo Cayman with 240 hp.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by DarkSunrise

This debate about more power for the Twins and Miata is eerily similar to the debate about the Cayman and Boxster S. With those Porsches, there has always been the criticism "Why buy a Cayman/Boxster S with just 325 hp for $70k, when for $40k you can get a Camaro SS/Mustang GT with 420+ hp?" It's the same story with the Twins/Miata, just at a lower price point.

Some people want impressive horsepower in a car that will generate good numbers on paper. Nothing wrong with that, but to meet the price point you compromise on size, weight, seating position, visibility, and feedback.

Others will insist on a small lightweight car with great seating position and feedback. Nothing wrong with that either, but you have to compromise on horsepower to meet the price point.

The solution is simple though - be realistic about what makes you happy and buy accordingly. I'm glad "underpowered" lightweight cars like the Twins, Miata and Cayman/Boxster exist, just like I'm glad big HP cars like the Camaro and Mustang exist. It's like vanilla and chocolate - why would you want a world without one or the other? Variety is good.

I'd love to see higher hp versions of the Twins/Miata/Cayman/Boxster come out, just as I'd love to see smaller, lighter, better seating position, better feedback versions of the Camaro and Mustang come out. It's only human to want more value for your money, but every car is built to a price point so you have to accept certain compromises. That's life. No car manufacturer is going to take a haircut just because you keep whining.

Or if you really want a car the size/weight/feedback of a Twin but turbocharged, then open your wallet and buy the upcoming 2.0L turbo Cayman with 240 hp.

[Flo]

Cayman gt4 has 385hp... It's 100k msrp and dealers are marking it up though

S version is 280.

[Apoc]

Originally Posted by Flo

Cayman gt4 has 385hp... It's 100k msrp and dealers are marking it up though

S version is 280.

Cayman S is 325hp
Cayman is 275hp

[Da Breeze]

Well, since I have both I will share my opinion about both. They are two very different cars, and comparing them to each other is almost meaningless. You could make the WRX look better and have better ergonomics, but it would still be a completely different car. The WRX is my first car with a turbo, and I prefer the driveability of the BRZ. For me, the WRX has more power, but you trade the smoothness of the NA engine. It's much better in snow and ice, and with four doors, a useable rear seat and a large trunk, offers a lot more utility. On every other point, I prefer the BRZ.

[Flo]

Originally Posted by Apoc

Cayman S is 325hp
Cayman is 275hp

oh yeah sorry I was thinking of the 987 model that I could maybe afford

[yamrossi]

Originally Posted by Da Breeze

I wonder if people who drop $500,000 to a million on a classic Ferrari that is about as fast as the BRZ have the same debate. I doubt it. They appreciate the car for what it is. I don't understand why that is so difficult to do with a car that only costs $25,000. The problem with power is that for some there is never enough. And I am not going to address this in terms of track use. If you are only using this car on the street, there is enough power to do anything that needs to be done from a legal standpoint.

Good point about classic cars..

[ZionsWrath]

Originally Posted by Da Breeze

I wonder if people who drop $500,000 to a million on a classic Ferrari that is about as fast as the BRZ have the same debate. I doubt it. They appreciate the car for what it is. I don't understand why that is so difficult to do with a car that only costs $25,000. The problem with power is that for some there is never enough. And I am not going to address this in terms of track use. If you are only using this car on the street, there is enough power to do anything that needs to be done from a legal standpoint.

Ive had enough police trouble with my 160hp 2003 honda accord lol

I just quickly looked up the Audi A3. Base model is $30,900 with 170hp/200tq. Weight 3,362

Don't see anyone crying about the lack of power or excessive weight.

[Who8myrice]

Originally Posted by ZionsWrath

Ive had enough police trouble with my 160hp 2003 honda accord lol

I just quickly looked up the Audi A3. Base model is $30,900 with 170hp/200tq. Weight 3,362

Don't see anyone crying about the lack of power or excessive weight.

To be fair it is turbo with torque at low rpm

[ZionsWrath]

Originally Posted by Who8myrice

To be fair it is turbo with torque at low rpm

And to be fair we have some hp at high rpm

It's all about the price point and what the car is designed for

[Tectoniic]

nothing like a good circle jerk. Who brought the lotion this time?

[ZionsWrath]

Jergens for life

[gravitylover]

If it had any more power my drivers license would certainly be in jeopardy. As it is I can push it a bit and have fun without being too far outside the acceptable range.