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Old 02-04-2019, 11:38 PM   #15
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Old 02-04-2019, 11:40 PM   #16
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I redline it a couple half dozen times in the driveway when it snows to get it warm faster.
that's fun to do in the garage, with the door closed, so it kills all the plants the wife brought in for the winter hahahahaha
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I use one of these, helps bring oil temps up much quicker from cold.

Best investment for a street car.

When my oil is 90C it's time for thrashing.

Many many motors have died because they were leaned on hard before their oil was at temp.
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Your water temp is a more important factor than your oil temp when it comes to revving it out. As long as your coolant is at normal operating temp (180-220 deg F) you're fine, which usually happens after just a few miles depending on ambient temp.
Negative. Oil temp is far more important than water temp. That being said, they are generally very close to the exact same until you really start extreme usage.
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Old 02-06-2019, 05:17 PM   #20
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My water temp comes up super fast but oil temp seems to take forever to come up in this car. It's torture. But then once it's up there and you drive it hard it skyrockets. Hahaha
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My water temp comes up super fast but oil temp seems to take forever to come up in this car. It's torture. But then once it's up there and you drive it hard it skyrockets. Hahaha
Sounds about right. 10 minutes or so to get to temp and there is often a delta of 20+C right after the thermostat opens.

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So based on what I'm reading, it's safe to really have a go at the engine (read: redline it ) as soon as the oil is over 80C (176F)?

Obviously that's provided the rest of the car is up to temp as well.
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I always wait till 180F oil temp.
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Negative. Oil temp is far more important than water temp. That being said, they are generally very close to the exact same until you really start extreme usage.
I'm just saying not many cars come with an oil temp gauge (none of the 15 cars I've owned) so the closest thing we have to base it on is water temp.
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I'm just saying not many cars come with an oil temp gauge (none of the 15 cars I've owned) so the closest thing we have to base it on is water temp.
Only that isn't what you said. You specifically said "Your water temp is a more important factor than your oil temp". This leads someone to believe that as soon as the water temp gauge reaches its normal resting place you are good to go when in reality the oil temp trails WAY behind. Water doesn't lubricate the engine, oil does.
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When my water is up to around ~190f the oil temp is anywhere from 140-160f and this is in Florida winter. It takes at least 6-10 miles before the oil is just getting up to around 200 degrees.

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Please cite some sources for this. I have never once heard or seen of this happening(to a street car), just a lot of internet parroting.
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When my water is up to around ~190f the oil temp is anywhere from 140-160f and this is in Florida winter. It takes at least 6-10 miles before the oil is just getting up to around 200 degrees.



Please cite some sources for this. I have never once heard or seen of this happening(to a street car), just a lot of internet parroting.
Can't cite any "sources" but can say it can and does happen up here. I think part of it is the definition of "cold". Your Florida "cold" start temperatures are our mid summer ones.When your motor oil is at sub zero temperatures (as the OP mentioned) even the multigrade stuff is thick. You lay on that engine too soon you WILL cause damage. Will it blow up that very second? Probably not but that does not mean you are not create abnormal wear. At the low temperatures we see the coolant can be up to temperature well before the oil is even half way. The best thing to do is wait and let everything warm up before flooring it. Shouldn't be a big deal to anybody to just wait a few minutes before bouncing off the limiter.
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Bare minimum is about 160F for me. I like to wait till 180F, (or try to get it to 180F) but sometimes I get to the on-ramp a bit too quickly and have too little self-control...
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