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But really, if you wanna show up at a National Event and try and contest the rule you and try to force someone to protest, you will not win. Quote:
Note 1. is a detail going more into detail that a upper and control arm cannot both be substituted, for majority of us the lower control arm is the preferred route to go. However, if you wanted you could leave the lower control arm in place and swap the upper control arm and maintain legality. Toe adjustment is considered a link, and does not correct Camber (from section H) and thus is illegal. Just a question. You think since 2013, and the amount of attention STX has received from National Competitors and Champions...toe links has slipped through the minds of everyone? If you think I'm fighting, I'm not. It really isn't an argument. It's a statement....they are not legal. If you want to write a letter, like I did...go ahead. Mine was pretty simple: Quote:
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Both links are required to lengthen or shorten to achieve desired alignment, the spirit of 14.8.H is to allow competitors to achieve desired camber in an affordable fashion, I think we can both agree on that statement at least. Whatever nomenclature is used to describe a part is irrelevant, for instance Subaru lists the parts as "Lateral Link Front" and "Lateral Link Rear" not a single part with "Toe" in the name in the entire rear suspension assembly. https://parts.subaru.com/a/Subaru_20...10-201-01.html As I keep repeating, 1 a-arm = multiple links, if you can change one a-arm you should be able to change the lateral links that are substitutes for that a-arm, it's defined in the SCCA rules that the two are equivalent. 14.8.H uses plural language combined with the previous letter that allows for multiple camber kits to be used I think changing the 'toe link' is on solid ground. Quote:
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People who have been doing this long enough to fight near the pointy end have usually figured out that the magic isn't in a friggin' toe link. We're not changing geometry here, just making it easier to adjust. I appreciate you writing a letter, it's concise and to the point and open ended, nothing else to do but wait and see what the response is, and none of my grumbling will change that so I won't bother. Either multiple lateral links were always allowed or they weren't. ![]() ![]() Last edited by strat61caster; 02-23-2018 at 01:08 PM. |
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I can see both arguments equally and still cant figure out what side to be on haha
I'm drawn back by "if it doesn't say you can, then you can't" cant wait to hear what SEB says...
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IMO an "a-arm" is the lower link (camber arm) and the trailing arm (which you can't change anyway)... toe arm is completely unrelated.
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1 wishbone controls suspension location and orientation in all three directions with 2 wishbones needed for full suspension control, the 86's multi-link uses 3 links to accomplish the same feat as a single wishbone with an upper wishbone finishing off the assembly. The "front lateral link" (aka toe arm) is not 'unrelated' at all, it serves the exact same function to adjust alignment as the 'front' wishbone bushing does on a double-wishbone car. ![]() ![]() ![]() Last edited by strat61caster; 11-17-2017 at 04:18 PM. |
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Eh sorry strat I think its a reach...it'd take some real semantics and verbal gymnastics to appeal a protest at a national event for toe arms...
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Whether or not it's legal is certainly a different story, I've played that game before, I won't argue with the results of the letter written by @M0nk3y I'd probably agree wholeheartedly updating the wording if the intent isn't coming across in the current language. At this point I only want to spread knowledge about suspension design. ![]() And jeez, I just want to DIY alignment without pulling my hair out, I'm not actually trying to get a competitive advantage (aside from making future test and tunes more effective). |
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I’m rooting for toe arms being legal. My left side eccentric is frozen to the bolt in the rear...
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I'm confident I know the answer to my question already, but what are the current STX lca options that are available?
Racer-X doesn't sell poly any more. And isn't really wanting to play ball on selling me replacement bushings. Velox RS-R SPC/Dif bushings SPL with steinjager poly Is there a middle ground between $550-600 and the SPC/Dif bushing setup that I'm missing? Last edited by e1_griego; 11-28-2017 at 03:22 PM. |
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Really? Shame on RacerX. I love my arms from them. They had a Instagram post about making the arms in a different material and offering bushings again. Guess that never took off. ![]() Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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I think I'm must going to have a buddy make some new bushing cups for them, and I grabbed some DIF bushings to use.
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Shame on Racer-X they were the only <$500 LCA with an ST* bushing off the shelf when I bought mine aside from modifying an SPC.
If I had to replace them I'd do the same thing, find some poly bushings to press in. But yeah I think you listed everything except the Whiteline... which as far as I can tell is basically SPC+Dif bushing in one box. |
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