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Old 10-07-2020, 12:41 AM   #85
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LSD upgrade over tires? Which LSD upgrade would you recommend and what does it do for you over the stock LSD?
an LSD properly configured to your use and car.

Prevent a 1 tire fire and make the car completely predictable via consistency.

Tires are a very temporary modification. I like long term meaningful, tangible purchases, not short term instant gratification.
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an LSD properly configured to your use and car.

Prevent a 1 tire fire and make the car completely predictable via consistency.

Tires are a very temporary modification. I like long term meaningful, tangible purchases, not short term instant gratification.
Aren't pads short term consumables too? Just saying.

I was just surprised reconfiguring the LSD was on the list. I'm not saying your opinion is wrong for you or anyone else. I was just surprised that it made the top three. Typically pads and tires are the two best-bang-for-the-buck mods for anyone hitting the track that most people would say without question, and considering the flack the 86 gets for the Prius tires, I figured that would be even that much more likely to make the top three. Sometimes it is good to be surprised.
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It becomes difficult to cool cars once you cross a power threshold; try tracking that domestic with more power.

The transmissions will always be a hard limit.
But you here said in the other thread that the Supra's ZF8 was weak:

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The funny part about this, is that the B48 is not underrated at all. It's powerband is actually quite... frustrating.

The transmission is actually the weakest link in the supra, quite literally. It can't even handle the torque of an otherwise stock ECU tuned supra.
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But you here said in the other thread that the Supra's ZF8 was weak:

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Precisely; this limit applies to the domestics as well, but they weigh significantly more.
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Aren't pads short term consumables too? Just saying.

I was just surprised reconfiguring the LSD was on the list. I'm not saying your opinion is wrong for you or anyone else. I was just surprised that it made the top three. Typically pads and tires are the two best-bang-for-the-buck mods for anyone hitting the track that most people would say without question, and considering the flack the 86 gets for the Prius tires, I figured that would be even that much more likely to make the top three. Sometimes it is good to be surprised.
My current pads (with bbk) are 75 events old. Have been on the car since Oct 2018. It's amazing what can be done when corners aren't cut.
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75? Man, now you really do have me thinking....
That is impressive and dare I say economical.

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My current pads (with bbk) are 75 events old. Have been on the car since Oct 2018. It's amazing what can be done when corners aren't cut.
Not bad. Race teams would like pads/rotors that lasted that long.
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Precisely; this limit applies to the domestics as well, but they weigh significantly more.
Oh really? I didnít know that. I thought the manuals could hold a lot, and I thought the autos could too because I thought the auto in the SS and ZL1 is the same. They are different? I know the GT500 uses a dual clutch.
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That is impressive and dare I say economical.

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Overprovisioned, rather than underprovisioned in my case. Also, I don't do a whole lot of street driving, which is the primary source of rotor wear with race pads on.

More importantly, IMO, the BM4 has outer dust seals, which means you don't need to rebuild due to winter elements finding their way to the pistons!

My use case may be somewhat unique; the average CSG BM4 user seems to average 15-30 events (~20-50 track hours with mixed street use) per set of pads. Rotors vary by use and chosen rotor.
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Not bad. Race teams would like pads/rotors that lasted that long.
Many do!
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Oh really? I didnít know that. I thought the manuals could hold a lot, and I thought the autos could too because I thought the auto in the SS and ZL1 is the same. They are different? I know the GT500 uses a dual clutch.
Even the V160 typically fails regularly once you are north of 600wtq on the MKIV Supra. The drag cars making 1000+whp are not using anywhere near stock components. Many of them use transmissions that can buy a whole new MKV Supra and then some.

The Supra's trans can't hold 550wtq in higher gears. Likewise, a Hellcat's trans can't hold 700wtq in higher gears.

a 550wtq supra will be faster than a 700wtq hellcat though.
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Even the V160 typically fails regularly once you are north of 600wtq on the MKIV Supra. The drag cars making 1000+whp are not using anywhere near stock components. Many of them use transmissions that can buy a whole new MKV Supra and then some.

The Supra's trans can't hold 550wtq in higher gears. Likewise, a Hellcat's trans can't hold 700wtq in higher gears.

a 550wtq supra will be faster than a 700wtq hellcat though.
I looked it up. The SS/ZL1 and Mustang GT all use the same 10 speed auto. I didnít see anything about them changing the internals for the ZL1, which means a Camaro SS and Mustang GT has a transmission that is at least capable of handling 650tq like the ZL1.

With that said, those pony cars still donít track well? The can track well. You mean not repeatedly?

I guess Iím trying to ask is the Supra cut from the same cloth as these pony cars. All I hear from reviews is that the steering is not as sharp as the 86 and the ride is not very inspiring. Visibility is poor like a Camaro. It makes me wonder if the MKV is a new highway queen, drag style Supra. The shorter wheelbase was meant to give it better handling, but did they miss the mark? Is the Supra closer to a high hp 86, or is it closer to a light weight pony car?
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I looked it up. The SS/ZL1 and Mustang GT all use the same 10 speed auto. I didnít see anything about them changing the internals for the ZL1, which means a Camaro SS and Mustang GT has a transmission that is at least capable of handling 650tq like the ZL1.

With that said, those pony cars still donít track well? The can track well. You mean not repeatedly?

I guess Iím trying to ask is the Supra cut from the same cloth as these pony cars. All I hear from reviews is that the steering is not as sharp as the 86 and the ride is not very inspiring. Visibility is poor like a Camaro. It makes me wonder if the MKV is a new highway queen, drag style Supra. The shorter wheelbase was meant to give it better handling, but did they miss the mark? Is the Supra closer to a high hp 86, or is it closer to a light weight pony car?
Sounds like you should actually go drive one for yourself, rather than just comparing specs.
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Sounds like you should actually go drive one for yourself, rather than just comparing specs.


Iím not interested in an automatic. This is more to feed my curiosity or to give me some insight in the unlikely case I need an auto after a motorcycle accident leg injury or in the unlikely case they release a manual version. The opinions of other car reviewers is satisfactory, but not all of them have direct racing experience in this car, nor have they owned a boosted 86 that they also have raced, so I was expecting to put more stock in your opinion on the matter.

Itís ok. Iíll Turo the car sometime.
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