follow ft86club on our blog, twitter or facebook.
FT86CLUB
Ft86Club
Speed By Design
Register Garage Members List Calendar Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Go Back   Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community - FT86CLUB > Technical Topics > Forced Induction

Forced Induction Turbo, Supercharger, Methanol, Nitrous


User Tag List

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 10-05-2013, 03:07 AM   #1
projek_01
Senior Member
 
projek_01's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Drives: 1996 ST204, Series 10 FR-S
Location: Calgary, Alberta
Posts: 249
Thanks: 88
Thanked 201 Times in 85 Posts
Mentioned: 20 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
THIS THREAD IS FOR OWNER EXPERIENCES AND QUESTIONS ABOUT OUR EXPERIENCES WITH THIS KIT.

Thank you @digital_assassin for starting this thread. He no longer owns his 86 so I will periodically update this thread instead

Please post once you've ordered and I'll keep it updated with people that have ordered and will ultimately have the kit on the car. I ask that we all post the Dyno results and impressions/experiences.

This is not a thread for debate about the pro's and cons of this vs. Vortech, Innovate, AVO, FBM, FA20Club, etc. That thread is found HERE This thread is for owner proven facts about this product only, both good and bad.

Kraftwerks Product Page
Install Manual


Replacement Belt if ever needed can be ordered. There are three known versions.
1. Original first revision with the smaller crank pulley and 90mm Rotrex pulley - 20mm width 150 teeth
HERE

2. Second revision with ** tooth crank pulley and 95mm Rotrex pulley - 20mm width 160 teeth
HERE

2. Third revision with ** tooth crank pulley and 95mm Rotrex pulley - 30mm width 160 teeth
HERE

Idler Pulley Bearing Replacement
Due to the fact that this kit does not have an auto-tensioner, I found that the belt can become too tight depending on the temperature. As I live in an area where the temperature can swing 86 degrees F within hours, I tend to keep my tension a bit on the loose side to prevent premature bearing failure on the idlers and the Rotrex.

I have the second revision of belt/pulleys on my kit and they use three 6203 bearings in the idler pulleys. You will need a strong pair of internal snap ring pliers for this job (the reversible style will not be strong enough). Bearings will need to have C3 clearance and be designed to work in hot environments. I have tried both F A G brand and NSK 6203C3 DUU bearings but the hot engine bay temperatures just cooked the grease out of them within weeks. So far, I have been having good success with Nachi 62032NSE bearings.


Recommended hose clamp install thread - ask @glamcem why this is necessary


Known Owners
1. @digital_assassin Ordered 10/3/13 - Received 12/3/13 - Dyno Results 274HP / 227TQ initial tune - updated 279HP / 222TQ on DynoJet with tune by @Drift-Office both on 92 octane
2. @elopez Order #20
3. @grostoine Ordered 10/16/13 - Received 12/11/13 - Tuned by Otto-Moto and dyno'd on Maha 276HP / 246TQ
4. @cobrabyte Ordered 10/17/13 - Received 12/17/13 - SOLD unused kit to @post_break
5. @retrosmiths Ordered 10/21/13
6. @dren Received around 12/12/13?
7. @PRORICAN Ordered 1/14/14 - Received 1/21/14 -Installed 1/26/14 - Dyno Results 266HP / 198TQ on DynoDynamics with Basemap tune by @DeliciousTuning
8. @ExcelerateRep On Hand 1/17/14 - Dyno 3/7/14 245HP / 210TQ on Mustang Dyno and tuned by @Visconti
9. @wrohdejr Ordered 2/4/14 - 286HP / 222TQ on Dynojet and tuned by @Drift-Office
10. @wahsaihin Ordered 2/4/14
11. @sales@delicioustuning.com Purchased 2/7/14 - Installed 2/8/14 - 275 on 91 & ~332 on E85 on Mustang Dyno and tuned by @DeliciousTuning
12. @utekineir - Installed 2/8/14
13. @OmarGC - Installed ?? - Kit for sale as of 4/27/14 - Sold to @Rulin
14. @Ocho Seis - Dyno Results 296HP / 235TQ on DynaPack Dyno with tune by On Point
15. @captain_jack - installed 2/19/14 - 246HP / 196TQ on Mustang Dyno and Tuned by @nelsmar - Selling as of 5/14/14
16. @mit_peid - ordered 2/19/14
17. @glamcem - ordered 4/7/14 - installed 5/7/14 - e-tune by Moto East
18. @post_break - purchased brand new from @cobrabyte - Installed 5/10/14
19. @zoth - Ordered from Moto East on 4/17/14 - Installed 5/11/14 - Dyno on 93 octane 275HP / 220TQ with tune by @moto-mike and Dyno on E85 368HP / 272TQ
20. @Freeman - Ordered on 4/30/14 - Installed 5/12/14 - Kraftwerks Tune 261HP/195TQ - Drift-Office tune to come later
21. @SPCorBUST - Ordered on 5/6/14 - C38 Blower - Installed 5/9/14 - Delicious tune on both E85 & 91 Octane
22. @importdps - Installed 5/12/14 - Tune by Delicious
23. @Kakawate - Installed and tuned by Kraftwerks - Automatic
24. @SterlingBrz - Installed 5/8/14 - Tune by Kraftwerks
25. @Model Citizen - Installed January? - Tune by Delicious
26. @vgi - C38 kit - Installed 5/17/14 - Stated numbers on Mustang dyno 299HP with 93 octane fuel
27. @NCItaly - used kit purchased around 5/18/14
28. @TmP - Installed 6/1/14
29. @madpcsupreme - Installed 5/19/14
30. @Taino-BRZ - installed 5/30/14 - E85 301HP/226Tq
31. @zERoTu - Ordered 5/21/14
32. @FR-S Matt - Ordered 6/2/14
33. @Squishy - Installed 7/7/14
34. @penguin - Installed 6/10/14
35. @zERoTu - Installed 6/14/14
36. @D-VO - Installed 6/17/14
37. @ST-A - Installed 6/19/14
38. @rickspecd - Installed ????
39. @noob001 - Installed 6/23/14??
40. @Jcl - Installed 7/30/14 - KW Tune
41. @j.F.c.R.a.S. - Ordered 7/21/14
42. @nlowell - Installed 8/4/14 - 314HP/242TQ on Mustang Dyno with E85 Fuel
43. @Gixxersixxerman - Installed 9/8
44. @myd_lyf_crysys - Install and tune by @Drift-Office 9/20/14 AUTOMATIC 261HP/205TQ on 92 Octane
45. @projek_01 - Installed 10/11/14
46. @JoonPrime - Installed around 10/2/14 - Stated 255HP / 205TQ
47. @Rulin - Purchased kit from OmarGC - Installed 10/12/14 - Tuned by @moto-east
48. @BRZZZZZZZZZZ - Installed around 11/27/14 - Stated 258HP with C38 blower. Tuned by @Airboy
49. @Triumphrider - Install date ??? - C38 on Moto East E-tune
50. @DAN_BRZ - Installed 4/14/15 - C38 on Moto East E-tune
51. @Kojiro - Installed 1/17/15 - C38 on Moto East E-Tune

.
__________________

Last edited by projek_01; 09-04-2020 at 04:05 PM.
projek_01 is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 7 Users Say Thank You to projek_01 For This Useful Post:
BRZZZZZZZZZZ (04-20-2015), DAN_BRZ (05-16-2015), killerkid08 (06-09-2015), myd_lyf_crysys (09-14-2014), normancw (10-21-2013), Sportsguy83 (10-17-2013), The Sentinel (01-14-2015)
Old 10-08-2013, 01:27 AM   #2
digital_assassin
Senior Member
 
digital_assassin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Drives: 2013 FR-S Matte Orange
Location: Portland, OR
Posts: 2,016
Thanks: 489
Thanked 937 Times in 507 Posts
Mentioned: 168 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Here's Kraftwerks Dyno's for a reference point. Both Dyno's were performed on a Rototest HUBDYNO.


C30 Blower
This one is Stock BRZ vs Supercharged BRZ (95mm pulley) with stock headers and exhaust running 91 octane fuel. This shows a gain of 81.9HP and 55.1TQ.




This one is Stock BRZ vs. Supercharged BRZ (95mm pulley) with the forthcoming Skunk2 Headers and Exhaust and fueled with E85. I've been told that the headers are going to be part of their Alpha Series line and should be released in January. This shows a gain of 127.1HP and 83.2TQ.




This one is Stock BRZ vs. Supercharged BRZ (90mm pulley) with the forthcoming Skunk2 Headers and Exhaust and fueled with E85. This shows a gain of 180.8HP and 119.4TQ.




C38 Blower
Here are results using a C38 on an Automatic.

This dyno sheet shows 91 octane numbers at 262.7HP and 204.6TQ. This is an increase of 108.3HP and 70.7TQ.


This dyno sheet shows E85 numbers at 341.5HP and 244.5TQ. This is an increase of 187.1HP and 110.6TQ



Engine bay layout. Oil cooler sandwich plate that is shown is a Skunk2 product. The oil cooler is anticipated to be released in time to ship with the Supercharger kit, sold separately though.

Last edited by digital_assassin; 05-07-2014 at 03:17 AM.
digital_assassin is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to digital_assassin For This Useful Post:
SkAsphalt (10-17-2013)
Old 10-17-2013, 10:33 PM   #3
cobrabyte
Senior Member
 
cobrabyte's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Drives: 2013 BRZ, 2002 WRX
Location: Houston, TX
Posts: 710
Thanks: 978
Thanked 245 Times in 158 Posts
Mentioned: 33 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Garage
Looks like I'm order #26 for this one. Did the homework and really like how this one's shaping-up!
__________________
cobrabyte is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to cobrabyte For This Useful Post:
digital_assassin (10-18-2013), F1point4 (10-21-2013)
Old 10-21-2013, 07:00 PM   #4
retrosmiths
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2013
Drives: Scion FR-S Whiteout
Location: Hollywood, CA
Posts: 962
Thanks: 297
Thanked 241 Times in 137 Posts
Mentioned: 22 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Count me in!
__________________
2013 Scion FR-S
retrosmiths is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-28-2013, 08:42 PM   #5
KraftWerks
Senior Member
 
KraftWerks's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2013
Drives: Kraftwerks BRZ
Location: SoCal
Posts: 325
Thanks: 165
Thanked 327 Times in 166 Posts
Mentioned: 138 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Well put Mike ... my POV was simply to give enthusiasts who may not be in the 'know' a little background info on Bill. Not looking to sit here and argue who was FA20 powered, DPI, which ECU was harder to tune, etc.

Quote:
Originally Posted by CSG Mike View Post
How many of those cars are FA20 powered? How many of those cars use an ECU with the sophistication of the FA20? How many are Direct Injected?

While I absolutely believe Bill's tuning ability, throwing around those names have little correlation with the tuning of this kit.

Now, a proven track record of FA20 tuning would be a great example. For example, both Crawford BRZs and Robispec's FRS are tuned by Bill, and run strong!
KraftWerks is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-29-2013, 01:00 PM   #6
Dave-ROR
Site Moderator
 
Dave-ROR's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Drives: Stuff
Location: Florida
Posts: 10,317
Thanks: 955
Thanked 5,965 Times in 2,689 Posts
Mentioned: 262 Post(s)
Tagged: 8 Thread(s)
OK guys, this thread has been cleaned per the OP's request.

Please follow his colorful bolded directions at the top of the thread.
__________________
-Dave
Track cars: 2013 Scion FRS, 1998 Acura Integra Type-R, 1993 Honda Civic Hatchback
DD: 2005 Acura TSX
Tow: 2022 F-450
Toys: 2001 Chevrolet Corvette Z06, 1993 Toyota MR2 Turbo, 1994 Toyota MR2 Turbo, 1991 Mitsubishi Galant VR-4
Parts: 2015 Subaru BRZ Limited, 2005 Acura TSX
Projects: 2013 Subaru BRZ Limited track car build
FS: 2004 GMC Sierra 2500 LT CCSB 8.1/Allison with 99k miles
Dave-ROR is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to Dave-ROR For This Useful Post:
cobrabyte (10-29-2013), digital_assassin (10-29-2013), retrosmiths (10-29-2013)
Old 10-29-2013, 01:05 PM   #7
KraftWerks
Senior Member
 
KraftWerks's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2013
Drives: Kraftwerks BRZ
Location: SoCal
Posts: 325
Thanks: 165
Thanked 327 Times in 166 Posts
Mentioned: 138 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
KraftWerks is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-29-2013, 06:36 PM   #8
retrosmiths
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2013
Drives: Scion FR-S Whiteout
Location: Hollywood, CA
Posts: 962
Thanks: 297
Thanked 241 Times in 137 Posts
Mentioned: 22 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Any dyno on stock exhaust, 91 gas and 90mm pulley?
__________________
2013 Scion FR-S
retrosmiths is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-29-2013, 06:43 PM   #9
cobrabyte
Senior Member
 
cobrabyte's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Drives: 2013 BRZ, 2002 WRX
Location: Houston, TX
Posts: 710
Thanks: 978
Thanked 245 Times in 158 Posts
Mentioned: 33 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Garage
Would definitely like to see some more videos of the system in use... dyno, street, track... I'm easy.
__________________
cobrabyte is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-31-2013, 09:09 PM   #10
grostoine
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Drives: Subaru BRZ
Location: Quebec
Posts: 392
Thanks: 9
Thanked 104 Times in 54 Posts
Mentioned: 13 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Is the release date have been announce?

Or we are waiting for the 30th person to show?

It would be very nice to have at least an update or something ?


By the way i'm number 27.

Last edited by grostoine; 11-03-2013 at 09:50 PM.
grostoine is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-04-2013, 07:43 AM   #11
grostoine
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Drives: Subaru BRZ
Location: Quebec
Posts: 392
Thanks: 9
Thanked 104 Times in 54 Posts
Mentioned: 13 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Bump
grostoine is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-02-2013, 05:47 AM   #12
retrosmiths
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2013
Drives: Scion FR-S Whiteout
Location: Hollywood, CA
Posts: 962
Thanks: 297
Thanked 241 Times in 137 Posts
Mentioned: 22 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Any word on this? I haven't gotten an e-mail or anything yet.
__________________
2013 Scion FR-S
retrosmiths is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-02-2013, 09:50 AM   #13
grostoine
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Drives: Subaru BRZ
Location: Quebec
Posts: 392
Thanks: 9
Thanked 104 Times in 54 Posts
Mentioned: 13 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
You should contact them!

I have but it stopped to the point I was going to have my finale price... I never had it. Still waiting. I called them friday but I guess it wasn't open.
grostoine is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-03-2013, 07:33 AM   #14
gmsii
 
gmsii's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Drives: BRZ
Location: southern california
Posts: 201
Thanks: 14
Thanked 156 Times in 81 Posts
Mentioned: 25 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by grostoine View Post
You should contact them!

I have but it stopped to the point I was going to have my finale price... I never had it. Still waiting. I called them friday but I guess it wasn't open.
sorry grostoine....but we have this pesky holiday called thanksgiving in the USA...call in if you havent heard from the sales team
gmsii is offline   Reply With Quote
 
Reply

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Innovate (Sprintex) Supercharger Owners Topic DarrenDriven Forced Induction 9139 12-29-2023 11:58 PM
Kraftwerks Rotrex Supercharger Discussion nelsmar Forced Induction 697 01-18-2022 01:06 PM
All SUPERCHARGER kits compilation thread subatoy Forced Induction 76 03-10-2016 01:38 PM
Kraftwerks Supercharger?? umpadupa Forced Induction 1 08-05-2013 06:27 PM


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 02:35 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
User Alert System provided by Advanced User Tagging v3.3.0 (Lite) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2024 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.

Garage vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.