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Old 01-23-2022, 02:26 PM   #1
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Is it worth buying expensive toe arms?

I think the price of toe arms is ridiculous. Some places are selling them for over $500.

Wouldn't buying cheap toe arms (even god speed for example), and adding the eccentric lock out kit make them the same?

This might be a dumb thought but want to see what other people think.
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Old 01-23-2022, 05:06 PM   #2
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I think the price of toe arms is ridiculous. Some places are selling them for over $500.

Wouldn't buying cheap toe arms (even god speed for example), and adding the eccentric lock out kit make them the same?

This might be a dumb thought but want to see what other people think.
Why do you need toe links? I'm lowered about 1.5", -3.2 front -2.7 rear camber and toe is set to zero front, 0-0.1 degrees total rear toe with the factory links.
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^ Same as above except close to -4 camber in front; still on OEM toe links.
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Yeah factory toe adjustment is fine unless you’re stancing.
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I read a few threads saying that the rear toe gets misaligned after hitting big bumps or taking aggressive corners. I haven't had the car long enough to see any changes though
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I had OEM toe arm slip at autocross last year. Probably due to the tech not torquing it properly after adjustment.

SPC toe arms are cheap and offer more range of adjustment.
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I had OEM toe arm slip at autocross last year. Probably due to the tech not torquing it properly after adjustment.
Yeah, I doubt that's a problem with the factory toe arms themselves. I've had alignments go out on my S2000 due to this, but never with the BRZ (now at 62k street miles and 40+ track days)

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But is more range of adjustment needed? Again I'm at -1.5" ride height and -3.2 front/-2.8 rear camber, not a problem to get zero toe.

I trust factory parts a lot more than aftermarket. Factory parts have more/better analysis behind them and way way WAY more testing.

Seems like a waste of time/money/effort to me...
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Setup for max track performance with suspension mods?

I'm not into doing something just because it looks cool. Are ALL the adjustable rear toe arms being offered just there for the stance crowd?

My track buddy says he has the rear at -2.0. The front at -3.5. Can you get there with stock adjustability, especially if I'm dropping the car 1~1.5 inches?

I have Voodoo 13 LCA's and coilovers arriving any day for my 2022 BRZ.
I'm not sure if my buddy is using adjustable arms or not, but he seems to have everything else. His setup came off a real race car that crashed.
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But is more range of adjustment needed? Again I'm at -1.5" ride height and -3.2 front/-2.8 rear camber, not a problem to get zero toe.

I trust factory parts a lot more than aftermarket. Factory parts have more/better analysis behind them and way way WAY more testing.

Seems like a waste of time/money/effort to me...
I had to run them on my car, I couldn't get the OEM arms short enough and had a hair of toe out for a bit. I am at about -2.6 rear. I am running SPC's.
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I'm not into doing something just because it looks cool. Are ALL the adjustable rear toe arms being offered just there for the stance crowd?
Looks like some peeps may need them to avoid toe-out, per NoHaveMSG's post above ^^^

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Maybe? Again I'm at -1.5" with -3.2 front -2.8 rear camber, no prob with stock arms.

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I have Voodoo 13 LCA's and coilovers arriving any day for my 2022 BRZ.
I'm not sure if my buddy is using adjustable arms or not, but he seems to have everything else. His setup came off a real race car that crashed.
You might not need LCAs, natural lowering will put you in the right camber range for track. While not being a problem for the street either...

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Most people can get the toe you need with the stock arms.

The OEM toe adjuster can slip and IMO are a little bit of a pain to adjust if you're doing your own alignments. It's not common, but it does happen.

An aftermarket arm usually uses a spherical bearing instead of the factory rubber bushing, which means a more direct connection and less "give." It's a small difference, but doing more bushings in the rear adds up to a more noticeable difference.

A "better" aftermarket arm will use a higher quality spherical bearing that lasts longer. On the lower end arms the bearing or the ball joint is more likely to develop play earlier and require replacement.
Some arms will also use a rubber booty to protect the bearing from the elements (salt).

Aftermarket toe arms are defintely not a "required" part, but I like them.

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I'm not into doing something just because it looks cool. Are ALL the adjustable rear toe arms being offered just there for the stance crowd?

My track buddy says he has the rear at -2.0. The front at -3.5. Can you get there with stock adjustability, especially if I'm dropping the car 1~1.5 inches?

I have Voodoo 13 LCA's and coilovers arriving any day for my 2022 BRZ.
I'm not sure if my buddy is using adjustable arms or not, but he seems to have everything else. His setup came off a real race car that crashed.
Yes.

-2.5 in the rear, been as low as 1.5 zero issue with factory toe arms, plenty of adjustment left
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Get the moog ones off of rockauto. Just simply for the ease of adjustment.
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Get the moog ones off of rockauto. Just simply for the ease of adjustment.
I believe these are made by SPC for moog.
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