Automatic transmission made by Toyota?

[alone1i]

Heya, does the automatic transmission made by Toyota same like first gen? Or it is made by Subaru this time. Any official confirmation?

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by alone1i

Heya, does the automatic transmission made by Toyota same like first gen? Or it is made by Subaru this time. Any official confirmation?

Neither Toyota nor Subaru make transmissions directly themselves. In fact they "make" very very few parts.
The transmissions will still be Aisins I am sure.
But...
Since Aisin is a part of the Toyota group I guess you could sort of say they are "Toyota" transmissions.

[alone1i]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Neither Toyota nor Subaru make transmissions directly themselves. In fact they "make" very very few parts.
The transmissions will still be Aisins I am sure.
But...
Since Aisin is a part of the Toyota group I guess you could sort of say they are "Toyota" transmissions.

People used to say the auto trans on 1st gen was used in Lexus too and very rock solid. Same case here?

[Flarpswitch]

A friend of mine had a Lexus with the same transmission as my 2017 BRZ. Driving both and discounting the obvious difference in the cars, the transmission in the Lexus was set up more for comfort while in the BRZ it was set up for performance. I believe this was accomplished with the torque converter and the tuning of the TCU to mimic a dual clutch transmission. While in this car the manual transmission is the first choice, how and where you drive should dictate if the automatic is a better choice. I remember the one Datsun 240Z that was sold out of our shop that had an Automatic. It was a perfectly fine transmission for that owner, because quite frankly, he didn’t know any better.

[alone1i]

Originally Posted by Flarpswitch

A friend of mine had a Lexus with the same transmission as my 2017 BRZ. Driving both and discounting the obvious difference in the cars, the transmission in the Lexus was set up more for comfort while in the BRZ it was set up for performance. I believe this was accomplished with the torque converter and the tuning of the TCU to mimic a dual clutch transmission. While in this car the manual transmission is the first choice, how and where you drive should dictate if the automatic is a better. I remember the one Datsun 240Z that was sold out of our shop that had an Automatic. It was a perfectly fine transmission for that owner, because quite frankly, he didn’t know any better.

I see

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by alone1i

People used to say the auto trans on 1st gen was used in Lexus too and very rock solid. Same case here?

Aisin trannys are well known to be pretty good. They use them in everything from Porsches to Dodge Ram trucks.
Like anything else they can and will fail if abused or sometimes you just get a bad one but overall you can't go too far wrong.

[mazeroni]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota...smission#A960E

The 86, BRZ and FR-S are offered with two 6-speed transmissions: an in-house developed Toyota TL70 manual gearbox (based on Aisin AI's AZ6[40]) and an Aisin-Warner A960E automatic transmission, which is modified from that used on the Lexus IS 250. The latter uses a traditional wet torque converter design, but its software has been engineered to mimic the response of a dual-clutch transmission.

A960E
6 Speed Automatic Transmission

Applications (calendar years):

2006 Lexus GS 300
2005–2013 Lexus IS (XE20)
2008 Toyota Crown 2500CC
2004–present Toyota Mark X (GRX120/121/130)
2012–present Toyota 86/Scion FR-S/Subaru BRZ


If I'm not mistaken, they updated the GEN II auto with a new torque converter and clutches that were meant to help with the transmission be less sluggish, especially when launching the car.

Given Toyota themselves quote a 1.5 second 0-60 improvement between Gen 1 and 2, I'd say that they did a good job with at least that much. As for everything else, well, all of the video reviews show you should just keep it in auto.

[RZNT4R]

I'm fairly certain all modern automatics made by Subaru are CVT transaxles, so you would not want one.

[StE92ve]

Originally Posted by RZNT4R

I'm fairly certain all modern automatics made by Subaru are CVT transaxles, so you would not want one.

Since the BRZ/GR86 trannys are Aisin, that's not a factor here. But, I did test drive a current generation Forrester with the CVT. Without knowing anything about reliability, I thought the CVT performed well in this vehicle and since it's the only transmission choice, I don't think any owners would have issue with it.

[RZNT4R]

I did not mean they are bad transmissions, just that it would be a bad choice for a BRZ/86

[wbradley]

Incidentally, Subaru were one of if not the first adopter of CVT transmissions. They have seen significant improvements over the years and are considered reliable and well suited to their AWD drivetrains.
Conventional automatics will provide much better feel for sportiness, but still not as fast as a dual clutch automatic. That would be offered starting at the Golf GTI and various other German cars.
Bottom line if performance is top priority don't go automatic with the twins. If comfort and city driving is important, I'm sure the car is peppy enough without going stick now.

[jflogerzi]

They are a slightly revised from the Gen1 but still the same unit. Better than before but if you can drive stick, get the 6SP

[alphasaur]

Originally Posted by RZNT4R

I did not mean they are bad transmissions, just that it would be a bad choice for a BRZ/86

Well good thing the brz/86 autos are not cvts.

[Sasquachulator]

As far as i know the only bad CVT's were early use case cars (like first gen mini owned by BMW) and the Nissan Jatko (jesko?) CVT's.

They're not bad transmissions but they're incredibly boring compared to a traditional automatic (yes such a thing is possible)

Toyota CVT are fine (they've also been used forever in Prius), I havent heard of anything bad about Subaru CVT's, and i had a Honda fit with a CVT and it was fine.

Keeping it traditional automatic in the twins was a good idea, i wonder why they didn't go with an 8 speed for the second gen though....