Engine idle chirping (cricket) noise poll.

[Fenrir]

Originally Posted by steve87j

UGHHHH.......first off they have admittedly stated that it is in-fact ABNORMAL for it to CHIRP. END OF STORY. I don't give a shit how little the fault is. Rather then replacing the pump with the same pump hoping for better results they should make a PERM fix. Because yes i will sit in my tower made of brilliance looking at people that let other people shit on them.

I spent 25k on this fucking car and i intend to get my value's worth. So own up and fix my shit.

Yes stuff like this happens boo whoo but guess what? they will only get my respect after resolving the problem.

Not! replacing multiple pumps multiple times and then giving up saying that should have fixed it.

Stop being so laid back, im not pissed at suburoyta...... however i will be with i dont get a perm fix.

Have each others back and maybe we will get a fix :happy0180:

btw i mean no disrespect i just love my car

Can you please stop spreading misinformation? The noise has not been categorized as abnormal, only undesirable.

The only reason they're replacing pumps right now is because so many people have complained about it, and are demanding action without giving the company time to come up with a viable replacement pump that doesn't exhibit these characteristics under normal use.

[makab]

Originally Posted by steve87j

its under warranty u have to pay that?

No I am not paying anything. It is under warranty. Just included the price that's all.

[russv]

Originally Posted by Fenrir

Can you please stop spreading misinformation? The noise has not been categorized as abnormal, only undesirable.

The only reason they're replacing pumps right now is because so many people have complained about it, and are demanding action without giving the company time to come up with a viable replacement pump that doesn't exhibit these characteristics under normal use.

I would classify it as abnormal because fuel pumps don't make intermittent loud chirping noises. The fact that Toyota and Subaru have issued TSB's indicates they think it is abnormal as well. And could it not be an indicator of a future failure and consequent fire? THAT would be undesirable.

[dawnst3ar]

Drping the car off in the morning for 2nd replacement of the fuel pump. Hopfully this is the last time I need to make this trip!

[FR-S Matt]

When will Toyota/Subaru change fuel pump part to a completely new fuel pump and stop replacing the problem with another problematic same fuel pump? Still waiting....

[marky]

Originally Posted by FR-S Matt

When will Toyota/Subaru change fuel pump part to a completely new fuel pump and stop replacing the problem with another problematic same fuel pump? Still waiting....

mine is making the noise im going to get my car alarm/tint reworked and im going to tell them about my HPFP making that cricket sound... is it worth getting it done knowing that the crickets will come back?

would you go back the 3rd time and get it replaced ?

yeah toy/sub needs to make a new new pump.. is there any after market ? not sure if you want to spend it out your own pocket due to most likely its still warranty..but toy/sub needs to step it up..not digging this crickets

[FR-S Matt]

Originally Posted by marky

mine is making the noise im going to get my car alarm/tint reworked and im going to tell them about my HPFP making that cricket sound... is it worth getting it done knowing that the crickets will come back?

would you go back the 3rd time and get it replaced ?

yeah toy/sub needs to make a new new pump.. is there any after market ? not sure if you want to spend it out your own pocket due to most likely its still warranty..but toy/sub needs to step it up..not digging this crickets

I'm just continuing to wait before my warranty goes up. There's many people who are on pump #3 and beyond that still have crickets. I'd love to see the ratio of replacement pumps that work versus ones that don't. Should do a new poll!

[marky]

Originally Posted by FR-S Matt

I'm just continuing to wait before my warranty goes up. There's many people who are on pump #3 and beyond that still have crickets. I'd love to see the ratio of replacement pumps that work versus ones that don't. Should do a new poll!

yeah seems like its not worth going back to dealer to get it replaced or trying different gas... knowing it will just come back.. are there others that got it gone for sure after a replacement? been reading about this new manufacture pumps thats suppose to be the fixed

but yeah ill get mine checked out..hopeful i dont have to wait months for the pump to come if i get mine change out..

[FR-S Matt]

Originally Posted by marky

yeah seems like its not worth going back to dealer to get it replaced or trying different gas... knowing it will just come back.. are there others that got it gone for sure after a replacement? been reading about this new manufacture pumps thats suppose to be the fixed

but yeah ill get mine checked out..hopeful i dont have to wait months for the pump to come if i get mine change out..

I started a new thread with a poll on it for drivers who got their pumps replaced to kind of get a percentage of how many it worked for, and how many pumps total were replaced.

[Fenrir]

Originally Posted by russv

I would classify it as abnormal because fuel pumps don't make intermittent loud chirping noises. The fact that Toyota and Subaru have issued TSB's indicates they think it is abnormal as well. And could it not be an indicator of a future failure and consequent fire? THAT would be undesirable.

Highlighted the most important part of that statement there. And yes, they do, as has been stated multiple times from a dozen different sources.

The TSB itself says that the noise isn't abnormal, it's undesirable. A TSB isn't admission of a faulty part. There's been plenty of TSBs for undesirable characteristics on vehicles that aren't broken or damaged, or have any impact on the car outside a bruised ego. Abnormal indicates there is an actual problem, which there is 0 evidence of in this case.

Also, the "consequent fire" you are referring to was a result of poor workmanship and shoddy mechanics. It has nothing to do with the chirping being discussed here.

[mad_sb]

Originally Posted by Shagaliscious

This guy also shows a pulley that is shaking, but he said he went to the dealer and they said the chirping is the DI system.

I was going to say.. it it probably related to the DI system. Not sure if i have the chirp but i certainly have the diesel sounding clatter lol

[russv]

Originally Posted by Fenrir

Highlighted the most important part of that statement there. And yes, they do, as has been stated multiple times from a dozen different sources.

The TSB itself says that the noise isn't abnormal, it's undesirable. A TSB isn't admission of a faulty part. There's been plenty of TSBs for undesirable characteristics on vehicles that aren't broken or damaged, or have any impact on the car outside a bruised ego. Abnormal indicates there is an actual problem, which there is 0 evidence of in this case.

Also, the "consequent fire" you are referring to was a result of poor workmanship and shoddy mechanics. It has nothing to do with the chirping being discussed here.

I think that if you will READ the heading of the TSB it says "Abnormal Chirp or Squeak from High Pressure Fuel Pump". Important part highlighted.

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/attac...6&d=1352490977

In regards to the "consequent fire" comment I made, it was not in reference, obviously, to the poor Lad who had his HPFP replaced and then caught fire due to questionable technician competence. Again if you had read carefully I posed the question "And could it not be an indicator of a future failure and consequent fire?" This was in reference to other cars with HPFP that have had failures and caught fire (VW, Audi).

[Fenrir]

Originally Posted by russv

I think that if you will READ the heading of the TSB it says "Abnormal Chirp or Squeak from High Pressure Fuel Pump". Important part highlighted.

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/attac...6&d=1352490977

In regards to the "consequent fire" comment I made, it was not in reference, obviously, to the poor Lad who had his HPFP replaced and then caught fire due to questionable technician competence. Again if you had read carefully I posed the question "And could it not be an indicator of a future failure and consequent fire?" This was in reference to other cars with HPFP that have had failures and caught fire (VW, Audi).

Interesting, they must have changed the wording since I last looked at it. I've been wrong before.

However, the Subaru one (as I have a BRZ, so that's what I've been looking at primarily) located here makes no mention of abnormal. It even goes so far as to explicitly state (in bold, no less), that this isn't a detrimental noise.

Fair enough on the fire comment, and again my mistake. Was that really an issue on VW/Audi DI systems? I've heard plenty about their pumps being notoriously junk and failing to provide enough fuel leading to detonation and exploded motors, but hadn't heard about the fire thing.

[russv]

Originally Posted by Fenrir

Interesting, they must have changed the wording since I last looked at it. I've been wrong before.

However, the Subaru one (as I have a BRZ, so that's what I've been looking at primarily) located here makes no mention of abnormal. It even goes so far as to explicitly state (in bold, no less), that this isn't a detrimental noise.

Fair enough on the fire comment, and again my mistake. Was that really an issue on VW/Audi DI systems? I've heard plenty about their pumps being notoriously junk and failing to provide enough fuel leading to detonation and exploded motors, but hadn't heard about the fire thing.

I noticed Subaru doesn't have this wording on their TSB. VW has had a lot problems with their HPFP failing and with some fires. BMW and Mini as well. With the large amount of PSI these fuel pumps produced I get nervous about any hint of failure. I have bit of paranoia about fuel pumps as I had an old VW beetle that had a chirping fuel pump shortly before failing and spewing gas all over the engine. Fortunately the weather and the engine was cold so no fire. A new $30 fuel pump later and it was running fine.