Scion iM

[SirBrass]

Originally Posted by BRZPDX

This car excites me as much as my wife giving me a hand job while we watch The Kardashians reruns.
I guess it gets the job done, from point A to point B.

Sounds like that's the point of the car. For what it is, looks like a good car.

Not my cup of tea, at all. But not bad.

[NemesisPrime909]

Originally Posted by DAEMANO

As much as people like to dump on Scion, this car with it's metric shit ton of standard equipment and it's decent styling is going to sell. It's a good move for Scion.

As far as the handling and looks go, from the press release it looks like TRD lowering springs and sways will be available early. Also looks like the suspension is essentially the same as the TC so there will be aftermarket to clean up the handling and ride height. Body kits will follow. Wheels are easy to change out. I don't think it'll be difficult to get very close to the iM concept above with the production iM.

Scion seems to be embracing TRD a lot lately

A move I applaud with great enthusiasm.

[N_A]

I like it. It looks like a good and affordable daily driver. Like a Corolla with a hatch which is pretty much what this is. I don't understand all the hate it's getting.

On a side note, I wonder if we'll see a "Traded my FRS in for an iM" thread. Lol.

[NemesisPrime909]

Originally Posted by N_A

I like it. It looks like a good and affordable daily driver. Like a Corolla with a hatch which is pretty much what this is. I don't understand all the hate it's getting.

On a side note, I wonder if we'll see a "Traded my FRS in for an iM" thread. Lol.

we need more good looking 3-dors and 5-doors

[BRZPDX]

just get a MK7 golf TDI? or a base Impreza?

[continuecrushing]

iM= Ugly incest child of hideous prius and awkward matrix

yuck

[NemesisPrime909]

Originally Posted by BRZPDX

just get a MK7 golf TDI? or a base Impreza?

like i said, more good looking 3 doors and 5 doors

You see, the US market is full of them, there is no shortage. the issue is that the majority of them are catastrophically ugly.

it's like, "I have to drive around in a travesty because i couldn't afford a better looking car."

[FiRStsc10n]

Originally Posted by Takumi788

...but....but....that looks nothing like this.

They should of kept the "FR-S" style fascia. Scion kind of had a new brand image going with the fascia (see FR-S, tC, iA)... this iM concept had it, the Toyota Auris it is based off of kind of has it, the production iM removed it. I don't get it.

[NemesisPrime909]

Originally Posted by FiRStsc10n

They should of kept the "FR-S" style fascia. Scion kind of had a new brand image going with the fascia (see FR-S, tC, iA)... this iM concept had it, the Toyota Auris it is based off of kind of has it, the production iM removed it. I don't get it.

no worries i'm sure 5axis will have a kit that emulates that look, eventually

[BRZPDX]

well if we are going the path of the JDM/car culture way, then those ugly ass "one-box Kei cars" that all have the design aspirations as much as a coffin (its a term used in Japan since if you crash in one, you will most likely die, shaped like a coffin, at least you will be packaged already for a funeral), then stance it out/aero/LED everywhere to look cool, will be the most popular, economical, plenty of room, gas saving atrocities.

The car culture is dead in Japan imo, and the US has more passion with various builds. Its over-ran by creepy Otaku's and anime geeks, hardly the car culture we all think they have (touge drift super awesome street racing!). Oh and the VIP big Scooters they have.. Hope that doesn't take off here.

[NemesisPrime909]

Originally Posted by BRZPDX

The car culture is dead in Japan .

Some one hasn't been to Osaka...or Kyoto...or Saitama... Almost everything I hear out of Osaka is about the car culture, The car culture is alive it's just not as big as one might think.

imo, and the US has more passion with various builds.

the majority i see stateside are big power builds or full-on race car builds.

"drop an LS in there."

"Strip everything out"

"we need 400bhp minimum."

while there's nothing wrong with that, it's just mot my forte.

Its over-ran by creepy Otaku's and anime geeks, hardly the car culture we all think they have (touge drift super awesome street racing!). Oh and the VIP big Scooters they have.. Hope that doesn't take off here

Well for one that's a stereotype and like the US, Japan has laws against streetracing. So it makes sense that there won't be to much of that, honestly

[hmong337]

Originally Posted by 53Driver

I don't agree with this entirely for multiple reasons. First, the demographic I have observed driving more "expensive" vehicles tends to be the "younger" crowd. I can think of several possible explanations for this.

First, young people tend to live 'in the moment". In other words, they don't always make the best financial decisions. They live on the border of their means (or even exceed it). On the flip side, young single people might have the liquid cash to spend on more "emotional" purchases because they are not supporting a family. When I was 23, just out of college, my first purchase was a fully loaded Honda Accord EX. Almost 20 years later, I am buying cars that are 5-10K cheaper than a fully loaded Accord.

Certainly some of these young people are getting assistance from their parents, others have good jobs and few expenses outside of college loans and/or rent, others are living paycheck to paycheck, blah blah blah.

Long story short, what I have observed in person on the roads and what the actual sales figures broken down by age reveal is...that the older crowd are gravitating to these "cheap" cars while the younger crowd is chasing the "brand/status" vehicles. This is, of course, partly my personal opinion/observations.

It all comes down to your geography I believe. Out in my neck of the woods, it's mostly people in their 30-40's with brand new Scions. Young families. I'm pretty postive 75% of people under 30 years of age drive used cars. And it's more like 90% under 25 are driving used. Unless you were a young professional and finished university by 21-22 and went stright into a career making a decent salary or started a successful business, I can see you buying a brand new car for you having achieved. And being young, the flashier the better. My cousin bought his brand new e46 M3 when he was 24. We are all still jealous ahaha. But nobody I know that is "young" buys a brand new car $20k+ and does it for the "brand/status" ramble you talk about. If anything, it's the young generation that are seen mostly in older used sports cars that cost under $10k because that's all they could afford for flashy. As a generalization, they mostly drive 2003 Toyota Corollas or Civics for $4000 because they are young, don't have a lot of money, and those car are economical and reliable. From what I have seen and come to understand is that the 50+ age group are the ones buying the brand new cars. The expensive ones. Just take the average age of a C7 corvette owner and that's all I have to say. Every brand new high class Mercedes I see is driven by and older person 95% of the time.

Getting back to the Scion iM, this car will sell to 30's-40's age group. Mostly, it's when younger couples get married and share a dual income is when either wife/husband gets a brand new affordable car. It's younger married couples up to 40 that are buying cars like Mazda3, Focus, and Matrix to haul stuff and kids. The Scion iM will not sell to the young and single crowd. But the FRS will... If they can afford it or have help buying it.

[BRZPDX]

Originally Posted by NemesisPrime909

Some one hasn't been to Osaka...or Kyoto...or Saitama... Almost everything I hear out of Osaka is about the car culture, The car culture is alive it's just not as big as one might think.



the majority i see stateside are big power builds or full-on race car builds.

"drop an LS in there."

"Strip everything out"

"we need 400bhp minimum."

while there's nothing wrong with that, it's just mot my forte.




Well for one that's a stereotype and like the US, Japan has laws against streetracing. So it makes sense that there won't be to much of that, honestly

I was born in Hyogo, Osaka. I go to Tokyo every year for work. I haven't live there long enough, but my brother worked in Japan for 10 years and we used to talk cars all the time over Skype. Tells me what he see's on the streets and whats popular. Trust me, I used to be really into the bosozoku style cars back in 92 ~ 2000. Now, the kids really think the stanced out mini-vans and giant scooters are "cool". Sports cars? Not interested. I am sure there are core people left in the Touge/Shutoko/Drift king stuff, but the majority of the modding culture has come down to Stanced vans, Ita-Sha's and just bull shit in my opinion.

I am Japanese, and I am not proud of the JDM culture, especially the Ita-Sha (anime girl vinyl wraps), mini-van modding and giant scooter modding, usually favored by high-school drop-outs living off parents money. They are referred to as "neats" or "Dokyun". Essentially useless in Japanese society standards

[Quentin]

I rather like it for what it is. I think giving it the best Corolla powertrains (ZR VVTiL, CVT, 6MT), IRS, and boat loads of tech for $20k will sell a good number of cars. It is the best Corolla you can buy. I'll certainly not feel bad recommending it to friends that want that sort of car.

A turbo AR would put it on my shopping list, though.


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