Subaru BRZ Places 4th in 2012 Best Driver's Car Competition by Motortrend

[DeeezNuuuts83]

Originally Posted by TSY

Yes, these days there are some very quick shifting Automatics (Lexus ISF, Cadillac CTS-V) but they still aren't as fast as DCTs.

But to add to that, a lot of automatics have improved significantly. I believe that some of the more sport-oriented Benz automatic transmissions (and I'm not talking about the automated single/dual clutch transmissions either) are really good now and even throttle blip, like the C63.

Originally Posted by SuperDave

just to be clear, there is no clutch peddle right? on a dct or pdk or whatever?

No. In terms of driver interaction, it's not different from a paddle-shifting automatic. But like TSY mentioned, the mechanisms are very different.

[TSY]

Originally Posted by SuperDave

just to be clear, there is no clutch peddle right? on a dct or pdk or whatever?

Yes, just 2 pedals- gas and brake.

[TSY]

Originally Posted by DeeezNuuuts83

But to add to that, a lot of automatics have improved significantly. I believe that some of the more sport-oriented Benz automatic transmissions (and I'm not talking about the automated single/dual clutch transmissions either) are really good now and even throttle blip, like the C63.

I agree these automatics have improved a lot. The 7 spd AT in my G shifts faster than I can, blips the throttle on downshifts, and has beautiful magnesium paddles to shift with.

I doubt they're as reliable under a lot of stress (ie racing) as an MT or SMG/DCT tranny though. I'm sure they're fine for 15" track sessions though.

[whateatsrabbits]

"A brake pad set and a supercharger away from glory."

[Tbxgz]

The MotorTrend group explains the rankings on the newest episode of WOT:

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6masptrUtx8"]2012 Best Driver's Car Roundtable: The Aftermath - The Downshift Episode 32 - YouTube[/ame]

[WolfpackS2k]

dual clutch transmissions might be faster, but they are not more durable than a true manual transmission. Mitsubishis, Porsches and BMWs have all had problems at the track overheating their DCT's. If you're going to track your car either avoid the DCT or upgrade it's cooling system.

As to upgrading the BRZ's brakes for track duty, who the heck on the first page mentioned dropping $1000 for new rotors?

To track the BRZ you will need the following:
-track only brake pads
-fresh brake fluid (and OEM fluid should be just fine unless it's a very brake heavy track. then spring for the higher temp fluid)

You will wear out rotors faster with the more aggressive pads, but nowhere near the rate of one set per event. Lightweight cars are awesome at the track b/c they are incredibly friendly to brakes and tires

[DeeezNuuuts83]

Originally Posted by WolfpackS2k

As to upgrading the BRZ's brakes for track duty, who the heck on the first page mentioned dropping $1000 for new rotors?

That was a quote from the Motor Trend video, if I remember correctly, not the opinion of someone on the forums.

[mact]

Originally Posted by Sev

So apparently anyone that tracks their BRZ is "out $1,000 for new rotors"?

$32 per replacement rotor on rockauto.com for the BRZ. For $1000 you can probably do a full WRX STI brake swap.

[Captain Insano]

Originally Posted by b.e

Hoping this doesn't spoil anyone's surprise, the ranking, in term of price as tested, and percentage of the total value:

9. $407,695 31.4%
8. $133,325 10.3%
7. $ 63,080 4.9%
6. $ 57,265 4.4%
5. $267,545 20.6%
4. $ 28,265 2.2%
3. $107,600 8.3%
2. $109,925 8.5%
1. $123,840 9.5%

Ha, that's an awesome list right there. Just picked up my issue today (bit dated I know). Gonna enjoy this read....

[mike@vossen]

Amazing considering the price!!