2013 Scion FR-S Priced at $24,200 ($24,930 after destination)

[Matador]

Originally Posted by tranzformer

I guess one thing about the GC over the Mustang is that it isn't a Ford (I know Ford has really increased their quality but many still don't like domestic cars). Another thing is the quality of the Hyundai interior. Some like the way that looks vs the retro Mustang. Another is the Hyundai warranty. Another is that there are all kinds of Mustangs around vs the GC being more rare. I think the GC offers a great value with a mix of good performance, interior, standard options, quality and price. But those are just my thoughts.

I wouldn't use quality as an argument. looks, subjective. Weight out the door the only thing the GC has going for it over the stang is that it isn't as common.

Originally Posted by Buggy51

Actually I think pricing the FR-S is actually an ingenious marketing scheme by Toyota/Scion to sell more tC's. Think about it, the idea of the new vehicle draws people to the lots so they can oggle and be dazzled by it. They look at the price and gasp in horror then point to the tC.

While I don't find the price unreasonable at all, I did cringe and think that when they announced it.... "man, this car is going to sell a lot of tCs"

Originally Posted by CyberFormula

i think the issue i have with it is that I DON'T need a new car that offers 2700lb /200hp 2 doors, and low center of gravity.

I've had that once a long time ago...

My point is, if i'm getting one...its going to be used. It isn't THAT special enough to justify 25k.

I brought the type R into the discussion is because..THAT was a total bargain for its class.

FRS - not really a best in its class. What is my money really paying for that is worth 25k? Only up side is that it is NEW. While real FRS competitions are all dead or old.

GTi- that's a bargain because you're buyin an A3 in a sportier characteristic.

You're still here whinging?

Originally Posted by Scion FR-S

What a witty comeback - you must feel so proud of yourself!

Yes. Yes I do. I even had a cookie!

[Matador]

Originally Posted by Sasquachulator

Well...

Scion vs Toyota has been discussed.
Auto HVAC/Push button start/HID's vs none has run its course.
Sticker shocker has been done to death.
Speed seems to be dying down.
Hatch vs Trunk could potentially spark a new war.
And i think Stock tires vs better tires might be a new one coming up also.

and C0ckpits.

[Gearbanger]

Judge the BRZ on its acceleration alone and you'll be disappointed.

[S2kphile]

Originally Posted by Gearbanger

Judge the FRS on its acceleration alone and you'll be disappointed.

Thought I'd help you there.

[Dragonitti]

Originally Posted by tranzformer

I guess one thing about the GC over the Mustang is that it isn't a Ford (I know Ford has really increased their quality but many still don't like domestic cars). Another thing is the quality of the Hyundai interior. Some like the way that looks vs the retro Mustang. Another is the Hyundai warranty. Another is that there are all kinds of Mustangs around vs the GC being more rare. I think the GC offers a great value with a mix of good performance, interior, standard options, quality and price. But those are just my thoughts.

With the way the 2013's front end looks, I think they will be even more rare...lol. I tease. But seriously, I'm not a domestic guy either obviously. But the styling of the 5.0 gets 5 stars from me. GC...not so much. I like the way the old GC looked.

Warranty is good to some people, but I would imagine the car was engineered to at least survive 100+k miles like all cars are, so the warranty isn't that big of a deal to me compared to other manufactures. If you built a great car then you don't have to worry about some great warranty to cover you when it breaks.

Originally Posted by fatoni

Eh Mazda did it for less

Not sure what you mean, Hardtop Mazda Miata starts at $27,540.

Originally Posted by SUB-FT86

That means you have clearly never driven the Mustang and GC in comparison. It sits higher than a GC and its hood blocks everything out the windshield . Its boxy nature works against it and it doesn't feel driver oriented when I sit in it. The GC feels just like my RSX and the FRS from sitting inside. The only difference is the FRS sits a bit lower and is obviously smaller. So I like the feel of cars like my RSX with a low slung front to rear body. Low slung GT Sports style > Boxy anyday of the week.

Also I wasn't arguing about the 25 lbs. Some people believe that's what the car will weigh with a full tank and I didn't want people to be confused. Any car can weigh less than its curb weight with gas missing.

The interior is going to be severely overlook when I go to shift gears the first couple of times. Build quality is not there according to reviews. The manual trans pausing between gears...what's that all about?

And really...25lbs still. No point in talking about something so minute.

[SUB-FT86]

Well I hope you know the same thing applies to all cars. And as far as the interior in the GC the quality is comparable to the BRZ in my eyes which makes sense since the GC start at 25k.

[SUB-FT86]

Whats the difference S2kphile?

[Dragonitti]

Originally Posted by SUB-FT86

Well I hope you know the same thing applies to all cars. And as far as the interior in the GC the quality is comparable to the BRZ in my eyes which makes sense since the GC start at 25k.

I wasn't referring to the idea of driving manual trans was going to distract me away from the interior. I was talking about what he says at 1:28

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[SUB-FT86]

That's the first review that mentions the pause. But what I like about that review is the overall feeling he had with it(feel is what makes the FRS so good right). He gave the feel of it an A+. But still FRS/BRZ is different from it by a good amount.

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by Dragonitti

I wasn't referring to the idea of driving manual trans was going to distract me away from the interior. I was talking about what he says at 1:28

I like better how he describes the look of the car. For me, he's spot on. I'm sorry but the GC is just not a good looking car. It seems to be trying to hard.

[Capt Canuck]

Sheesh this thread is going to get merged into the FRS/BRZ v GC thread soon ;-)

Dragonitti: Until you go drive all 3 cars and stop referring to videos, you're just talking nonsense and putting your biased guestimations over top of reviews and videos we can clearly make our own minds up on.

[tripjammer]

Originally Posted by Dragonitti

I wasn't referring to the idea of driving manual trans was going to distract me away from the interior. I was talking about what he says at 1:28

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The GC is ugly and way more expensive, you have to get the 2.0 R-Spec to compare to the FR-S and Mustang V6 with the performance package.

[tripjammer]

Lets face it, Scion compromised the standard equipment in setting up this car in consideration in pricing. And then they overpriced it.

No bespoke
No HIDS
No push start with proximity

Sure you don't need any of this, but for $25k it would have made the price easier to swallow.

I think they are doomed if Subaru prices the BRZ premium at $25k.

I am beginning to feel they should have just made it a Toyota 86 and not a Scion here in the States. This car is not going to save scion but it will sell more tC's.

But hey lets wait for the reviews of the production units, maybe this car will be faster than the BRZ and weigh a lot less.

Oh and i meant push start without the dualzone AC, like in the tC release 7.0. This would have been a nice compromise and made the FR-S unique over the bRZ premium.

[tripjammer]

Originally Posted by S2kphile

Thought I'd help you there.

The FR-S will be a bit faster than the BRZ, because it will weigh a bit less.

The WSJ got a 6.0 secs 0 to 60 on the BRZ, so upper 5 secs is possible on a FR-S.