FT86 Concept I v. FT86 Concept II

[ichitaka05]

so I was re-looking at the mkII pics. side view isn't too bad, but more & more I look at the front & rear lights, more & more I'm hating the design. If they fix the lights to smooth things out w chassis, I would love it more... but as for current mkII front/rear lights goes... seriously disappointed.

[Dimman]

KT's photoshop with the rear with red and white lights, and lomodr's with the lowered diffuser give me a tiny bit of hope for the rear end. But I don't like the silly vents at the corners of the tail-lights, or the extra vents on the outsides of the diffuser.

On a positive note, looking how the bumper attaches in the rear, an aftermarket one wouldn't have to have the light-vents. Negative is it would need a custom bumper.

[FT-86GOD]

Originally Posted by ichitaka05

so I was re-looking at the mkII pics. side view isn't too bad, but more & more I look at the front & rear lights, more & more I'm hating the design. If they fix the lights to smooth things out w chassis, I would love it more... but as for current mkII front/rear lights goes... seriously disappointed.

As I stated before the MKII will grow on me but nothing will beat the MKI tailights....

What im wondering though is, R people choosing the MKII because sub consciously its more so the colour than the shape... If the MKI was in black i think it would be getting a few more votes... Not to mention the MKII rims r much much eye friendly...

Just a thought

Ow... If someone could put up a pic of both MKI & II in black that would be much appreciated....

[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by FT-86GOD

As I stated before the MKII will grow on me but nothing will beat the MKI tailights....

What im wondering though is, R people choosing the MKII because sub consciously its more so the colour than the shape... If the MKI was in black i think it would be getting a few more votes... Not to mention the MKII rims r much much eye friendly...

Just a thought

Ow... If someone could put up a pic of both MKI & II in black that would be much appreciated....

Like this?




yes, I know first pic don't have original wheels... but those pics can be found on Photochops galore

[NikostC]

Originally Posted by ichitaka05

Like this?




yes, I know first pic don't have original wheels... but those pics can be found on Photochops galore

Wow that blue FT with those rims are really nice

[FT-86GOD]

yep just like that. Was hoping for a side by side comparison but people will get the point... In any colour other than red(which hides the detail of the tail lights) the MKI is just porn from the back.... Just my opinion.....

[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by FT-86GOD

yep just like that. Was hoping for a side by side comparison but people will get the point... In any colour other than red(which hides the detail of the tail lights) the MKI is just porn from the back.... Just my opinion.....

Yeah, those wheels looks nice. Check around that thread, there's a lot of good p-chop pics there.

[FT-86GOD]

I have, im just sure alot of new members will vote from only the concepts as themselves and not before doing a search and seeing them in different colours..... (^.^)

[NESW20]

Originally Posted by C-Bone

I hate to say it but it seems like a lot of people want what, dare i say it, Scion has to offer... A base car that is pretty much compeltely upgradeable with dealer options. I want this car with that radio and these wheels and that sport suspension but not those racing seats and that spoiler... I have a friend that just bought a Scion and he told me how it worked, they picked their car and added everything they wanted and got it installed; I dont know for sure but I'm guessing other dealerships don't have options like that to be installed aside from simple small things like ash trays, mudflaps, roof racks, bumper guards etc...

most dealers will install any "manufacturer aftermarket" parts for you at time of purchase. for example, in the current corolla, you can get a TRD lsd, TRD clutch, TRD suspension, etc... all dealer installed. all they need to do is order the parts and have their techs install the stuff.

Originally Posted by Aki

My main hope is that they offer a barebones version. It's easier to add HP than to add lightness imo. Ideally it'd be:

- Basic stereo w/ 2 speakers
- roll up windows
- non electric locks (it's seriously no that hard to reach across in a 2dr)
- no cruise control
- no moonroof
- no power seats
- smallest alloy wheels you can fit (I'm guessing 16 or 17")--gonna be getting new wheels anyway.

would want LSD to come standard though. Or at least, as part of an optional track package with nicer brakes.

cruise control doesn't add weight. maybe 2 grams, if anything.

Originally Posted by nate89

If it only comes in NA, then I hope that Subaru is the one who makes the ecu (they should anyway since it's their engine and drivetrain). That way, adding a turbo and tuning won't be a real pain in the @$$. Even the NA guys should want this so that they can tune the ecu for N/A mods (which makes a big difference when it comes to N/A mods).

true. it would be very nice to be able to use an accessport on this.

Originally Posted by R_E_L

you're right that's pretty hard to do, in fact i think it might just be downright impossible

you're taking it too literally. add lightness = remove weight = fancy materials/clever engineering

[Aki]

Originally Posted by NESW20

cruise control doesn't add weight. maybe 2 grams, if anything.

I was thinking more that it'd unnecessarily make the car more expensive, since I never use cruise control. Maybe it'd take off like $100 without it?

[NESW20]

well, i definitely want cruise on mine. $100 is well worth it. all they need to add is the controls and load up the necessary logic into the ECU. electronic throttles are really nice for that sort of thing. this car will likely be taking over most of my road-trip duty, and cruise is necessary.

[ryun84]

Are there any sub $40K cars out there that don't have cruise control? I'm guessing some high-end sports cars and supercars don't, but it would seem strange to hear about this car not getting it, no? Not that I want it or use it. In the 6 years I've had my car, I used the cruise control once and it was just to try it out (and yes, I do take long drives).

[NESW20]

maybe your definition of long is different from mine. 12+ hour-per-day drives. sometimes at night (where it's nice to keep eyes on the road instead of the speedo).

there are some cars that don't have cruise. i believe i sat in a Mazda 2 recently that didn't have it. i think most of them will be sub $18,000.

[ryun84]

Originally Posted by NESW20

maybe your definition of long is different from mine. 12+ hour-per-day drives. sometimes at night (where it's nice to keep eyes on the road instead of the speedo).

there are some cars that don't have cruise. i believe i sat in a Mazda 2 recently that didn't have it. i think most of them will be sub $18,000.

Your definition of a long drive is the same as mine. But I'm sure I don't take "long drives" probably as much as you do. I only take road trips about once a year. I can definitely see how cruise would come in handy though. Like I side before, I don't mind if it comes with or without. If the price of the car isn't reduced by removing cruise control, I don't see a point in not having it in the car.