FT-86 / FR-S size dimensions compared to Genesis, Civic, Sction tC, etc

[4agze]

Originally Posted by MatadorRacing_F1

why?

why a shorter wheel base?

[ERA]

fuckin tiny car.

[scape]

mazda's 2010 model is 2450lbs curb, base trim... 2009 was just over 2400..
also, the specs are very similar to what we have so far on the FT, sounds like a direct competitor- including price point
http://www.mazdausa.com/MusaWeb/disp...ehicleCode=MX5

[gliderboy08]

I hope with that size, Toyota could at list try what they did to the 3rd gen MR2 with only 980Kg(2150bs)


MR2 ZZW30

Wheelbase.........96.5in
Lenght..............153in
Width................66.7in
Height...............48.8in
Weight..............2150lbs(980Kg)

[OldSkoolToys]

Originally Posted by gliderboy08

I hope with that size, Toyota could at list try what they did to the 3rd gen MR2 with only 980Kg(2150bs)


MR2 ZZW30

Wheelbase.........96.5in
Lenght..............153in
Width................66.7in
Height...............48.8in
Weight..............2150lbs(980Kg)

It should be noted that the ZZW30 was an EXCELLENT cornering beast. When I worked at a Toyota dealership, I was interested to see how it felt. To my surprise it felt very similar to my AE86, if only a little bit more refined. Damn thing would hug corners like you couldn't believe. Good thing my bosses never found out.

The main consensus now is 1200kg, since there was an article where Tada said the concept (read: CONCEPT) came in at 1200kg. Honestly ,however, I don't see how they couldn't shave it down to at least 1100. (~2400) in a final production bare-bones model.

[scape]

i could totally see this car being 2600-2650 lbs or so

[4agze]

A yaris 4 door sedan is 2300lbs, if they can do that to this car or maybe close to that weight ill be happy, a realistic view on all the NA impreza right now ill say 160bhp. o yeah a co worker have the 2008 hyundai tiburon and found a good wheelbase match, hyundai tiburon has a 99.6 so ill say maybe its going to be the size of the tiburon?

[Matador]

Originally Posted by scape

i could totally see this car being 2600-2650 lbs or so

Just about I guess........

[gliderboy08]

Originally Posted by OldSkoolToys

It should be noted that the ZZW30 was an EXCELLENT cornering beast. When I worked at a Toyota dealership, I was interested to see how it felt. To my surprise it felt very similar to my AE86, if only a little bit more refined. Damn thing would hug corners like you couldn't believe. Good thing my bosses never found out.

The main consensus now is 1200kg, since there was an article where Tada said the concept (read: CONCEPT) came in at 1200kg. Honestly ,however, I don't see how they couldn't shave it down to at least 1100. (~2400) in a final production bare-bones model.

All it took was a test drive and i am hook into my MR2. I will be happy with this if it can handle the corners like the hype it been generating. FT-86 will be my next in my list

[no_name]

Originally Posted by 4agze

A yaris 4 door sedan is 2300lbs, if they can do that to this car or maybe close to that weight ill be happy, a realistic view on all the NA impreza right now ill say 160bhp. o yeah a co worker have the 2008 hyundai tiburon and found a good wheelbase match, hyundai tiburon has a 99.6 so ill say maybe its going to be the size of the tiburon?

My '05 2dr Hyundai Accent weighs about that much, and it also seats 5, plus it's taller and longer than the FT. 24-2500 lb with 160hp would be SWEET. Right smack in Miata LB/HP territory.

Originally Posted by OldSkoolToys

The main consensus now is 1200kg, since there was an article where Tada said the concept (read: CONCEPT) came in at 1200kg. Honestly ,however, I don't see how they couldn't shave it down to at least 1100. (~2400) in a final production bare-bones model.

Where did you find this article?

[OldSkoolToys]

Originally Posted by no_name

My '05 2dr Hyundai Accent weighs about that much, and it also seats 5, plus it's taller and longer than the FT. 24-2500 lb with 160hp would be SWEET. Right smack in Miata LB/HP territory.



Where did you find this article?

Actually ichitaka found it. And since its all in japanese he elaborated on the 1200kg part (which isn't that hard, looking through all the japanese characters you see "1200kg" standing out pretty easily).

I'll see if I can't find the link he quoted.

[CyberFormula]

as long as it is 2700lb or less it is a WIN with this car.

S2000 is about 2700lb with convertible roof.

Its not as much about HP/weight ratio as lateral g load on tires and chassis stiffness when talking about Track Time Attack.

Look at the GTR for example. There was an interview with the GTR designer. His ORIGINAL goal, according to the interview was to make the car have a certain size tire contact patch, match with 3800lb. Somehow he got the idea from F1 cars to determine how much the car is suppose to weigh, and he understands that under downforce the F1 car weighs "that much". His plan works extremely well with daily driving in all conditions. However, it sucks for track usage because of the tire load without downforce and tire load WITH downforce under lateral g forces.

In conclusion, if the car had a naturally smaller "package", the car would not require huge brakes , which means the car can use smaller rims, as well as smaller tires. Naturally this should translate to smaller $$$ in producing the car because of less parts used.

[White Comet]

Originally Posted by CyberFormula

S2000 is about 2700lb with convertible roof.

Actually, the S2000 is a hair under 2900 lbs.

[S2KtoFT86]

Originally Posted by White Comet

Actually, the S2000 is a hair under 2900 lbs.

And doesn't feel heavy in the least. Of course it's got more power than the FT is speculated to have.