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[Tromatic]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Wish they would tell us soon then before I clock several 100K miles!

If I had the ability to do so, I'd have two more in storage.

[funwheeldrive]

Originally Posted by Tromatic

If I had the ability to do so, I'd have two more in storage.

I'm glad I'm not alone. I have a strong desire to buy a 10-series and hide it away for 20 years.

[Shark_Bait88]

Originally Posted by DAEMANO

Getting an extra 10 WHP out of this car is very easy. Getting 10 BHP even easier. Emissions, and MPG definitely matter, still I have the most confidence in this happening for the refreshed model.

Forcing buyers to step up a trim level (or to buy optional equipment) to get an AT is a time honored auto industry practice. You're right though, it might be sacrificing buyers to go this route. However I wouldn't be surprised if they did.

Getting 10whp out of the car is fairly easy, but I don't think that is enough to appease all of the people complaining about a lack of power. The power complaint is due largely to the torque dip, which would require more work on the development/production side and have a significant impact on the price of the car. If they only added 10bhp, even 10whp, people would just complain that it's too little too late. I'd guess that it would take a 30whp (so about 200whp on avg) for people to complain less, even then they'd still say it needs forced induction, and I doubt it would bring in enough new buyers (especially at the increased price) to warrant the added costs.

[funwheeldrive]

Originally Posted by Shark_Bait88

Getting 10whp out of the car is fairly easy, but I don't think that is enough to appease all of the people complaining about a lack of power. The power complaint is due largely to the torque dip, which would require more work on the development/production side and have a significant impact on the price of the car. If they only added 10bhp, even 10whp, people would just complain that it's too little too late. I'd guess that it would take a 30whp (so about 200whp on avg) for people to complain less, even then they'd still say it needs forced induction, and I doubt it would bring in enough new buyers (especially at the increased price) to warrant the added costs.

If they ended up going with a 2.5L engine I don't think it would be that much of a stretch.

They could have the base engine with slight tweaks for the updated model, and a 2.5L for the performance (TRD/STi) model. This would match pretty well with what Daemano was saying.

[Canehda]

I think people are quick to forget all of the TRD things you can get for the FRS while keeping a warranty. Subaru no doubt dropped the ball with offering so little sti parts, however TRD seems to have nailed the starter mods for the frs/86 with BBK, coils, intake, exhaust and wheels. If Toyota released a special edition with these things and priced it at 20k more I'm sure they would fly off the lots. You need to remember that to the bean counters this car is simply a way of making money and with all the money that they've invested developing it, they have to squeeze as much money from it as they can meaning they will do as little r&d on it as possible while selling it at the same price

[Tt3Sheppard]

The engine really isn't that bad besides highway pulls but you don't buy this car for that anyways. Yea it could be faster but I'm not complaining I don't even notice the lack of power on the back roads.

[Shark_Bait88]

Originally Posted by funwheeldrive

If they ended up going with a 2.5L engine I don't think it would be that much of a stretch.

They could have the base engine with slight tweaks for the updated model, and a 2.5L for the performance (TRD/STi) model. This would match pretty well with what Daemano was saying.

Right, but look at the impact that would have on Subaru's lineup. It would start to encroach on the WRX sales, which is not an ideal business model. They've said countless times that there will be no major change to the powerplant in these cars, can we please stop these rumors? lol

[Tromatic]

Originally Posted by Shark_Bait88

Getting 10whp out of the car is fairly easy, but I don't think that is enough to appease all of the people complaining about a lack of power. The power complaint is due largely to the torque dip, which would require more work on the development/production side and have a significant impact on the price of the car. If they only added 10bhp, even 10whp, people would just complain that it's too little too late. I'd guess that it would take a 30whp (so about 200whp on avg) for people to complain less, even then they'd still say it needs forced induction, and I doubt it would bring in enough new buyers (especially at the increased price) to warrant the added costs.

The OFT is the easy way to address that, especially with E85. And I can not understand people who complain about the dip. Is it that hard to learn to keep your engine out of it?

[Tt3Sheppard]

Originally Posted by Tromatic

The OFT is the easy way to address that, especially with E85. And I can not understand people who complain about the dip. Is it that hard to learn to keep your engine out of it?

I used this tune with E85 for a couple of months, you really notice the power difference. Wish it was more obtainable during track days though.

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by funwheeldrive

I'm glad I'm not alone. I have a strong desire to buy a 10-series and hide it away for 20 years.

There was a post in the other car section comparing buying a 1964 Corvette vs. putting the money in an investment that tracks the overall stock market.

That $6k in 1964 turned into a $60k car today, not accounting for the money on upkeep.
(Edit: ok ~$120k for mint condition showroom floor 'vert)

That $6k would be worth >$600k if it tracked the stock market.

Just take care of the car you have now

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

There was a post in the other car section comparing buying a 1964 Corvette vs. putting the money in an investment that tracks the overall stock market.

That $6k in 1964 turned into a $60k car today, not accounting for the money on upkeep.

That $6k would be worth >$600k if it tracked the stock market.

Just take care of the car you have now

To clarify: The best case scenario (the proper trim level of Vette) turned into $60K
If you bought, never drove, stored and paid upkeep on the wrong trim level of the same year you could be looking at more like $20K value now.

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

To clarify: The best case scenario (the proper trim level of Vette) turned into $60K
If you bought, never drove, stored and paid upkeep on the wrong trim level of the same year you could be looking at more like $20K value now.

$60k is average, $120k for top condition

http://www.hagerty.com/valuationtool...port?vbe=18766

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

$60k is average, $120k for top condition

http://www.hagerty.com/valuationtool...port?vbe=18766

Yes but I went with average because well...average.

[Canehda]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

To clarify: The best case scenario (the proper trim level of Vette) turned into $60K
If you bought, never drove, stored and paid upkeep on the wrong trim level of the same year you could be looking at more like $20K value now.

Yeah if you try to gamble on a car as an investment expecting your exact choice will be a winner you should be labelled as insane...