The Occupy Movement

[aliphian]

Originally Posted by serialk11r

Government controls too much of our finances in this country, so everyone expects Uncle Sam to be helping them out. When I read about politics, it always feels like everyone is desperate to get a bigger cut of the pie for themselves, rich or poor. Whatever happened to self determination? Free market? When the government picks certain people/groups to support, that's not fair competition...

It's too late for that. We fed the stray and now it sees no reason to go out and find food. It will just sit on our doorstep and beg.

Regarding the tax argument, we should get rid of "income taxes" completely and go to a flat rate federal sales tax. We could forget about capital gains taxes as well. You would only pay taxes if you spent money. THE END.

The next goal would be to shrink the federal government as much as possible so that we could make the federal sales tax as small as possible.

[Dimman]

Originally Posted by aliphian

It's too late for that. We fed the stray and now it sees no reason to go out and find food. It will just sit on our doorstep and beg.

Regarding the tax argument, we should get rid of "income taxes" completely and go to a flat rate federal sales tax. We could forget about capital gains taxes as well. You would only pay taxes if you spent money. THE END.

The next goal would be to shrink the federal government as much as possible so that we could make the federal sales tax as small as possible.

I was thinking about that a while ago. It makes excellent sense, but implementing it would be a nightmare. First, getting the people to accept a massive sales tax increase. Even if overall they end up paying the same, the people will freak the hell out. Second, if the US already has difficulty with drug smugglers, what will they do when the borders get flooded with 'normal' tax-free goods smugglers?

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by aliphian

It's too late for that. We fed the stray and now it sees no reason to go out and find food. It will just sit on our doorstep and beg.

Regarding the tax argument, we should get rid of "income taxes" completely and go to a flat rate federal sales tax. We could forget about capital gains taxes as well. You would only pay taxes if you spent money. THE END.

The next goal would be to shrink the federal government as much as possible so that we could make the federal sales tax as small as possible.

the danger there is that it promotes spending money outside of america which is something that is kinda bad for our economy

[Dimman]

Originally Posted by fatoni

the danger there is that it promotes spending money outside of america which is something that is kinda bad for our economy

So is sending jobs and income tax money outside of the country.

Plus think of all the customs jobs the government could create.

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by Dimman

So is sending jobs and income tax money outside of the country.

Plus think of all the customs jobs the government could create.

i doubt custom jobs are a viable fix for our economy. income taxes and sending jobs and tax money out arent the same thing. i hate being critical without having a better solution but that kind of stuff doesnt seem any more productive than the tons of people just sitting around outside of ws

[serialk11r]

Flat tax is actually unprogressive because people with lower income spend more, so they are effectively taxed "higher", as rich people can take what they don't spend and put it into investments. Basic econ

[Dragonitti]

Originally Posted by serialk11r

Okay I just watched those videos, which don't say anything by the way, and you are still missing the point, but whatever. Not going to argue anymore.

Taxing the rich btw, is not going to erase our debt. Certainly, I think we can afford to levy a bit more capital gains tax and all, but you can't tax actual wealth, or else people will just send their money overseas. The amount that the government owes far exceeds the wealth of the "1%", or even the wealth of "the 10%". There's no simple way out of this. I think we're kinda screwed :/

Perhaps your selective hearing didn't let you hear what was being said.. Guess the racist tone to those other videos is just people being hyper-sensitive huh? Stating that 50% of the African American population voted for Obama, isn't undercutting the intelligence of half the African American population...yeah ok.

Didn't an overwhelming amount of African Americans vote for Clinton too? Is he black underneath or something....

Oh wait, I see....they just didn't say anything that you already didn't know.

[Dragonitti]

Polls show a large % of Americans want the rich to pay more taxes. There is no one solution to the problem, but a collection of things that need to be changed that will aid in solving the problem.

[aliphian]

Originally Posted by serialk11r

Flat tax is actually unprogressive because people with lower income spend more, so they are effectively taxed "higher", as rich people can take what they don't spend and put it into investments. Basic econ

Good for them. It is still fair.

[Franisco]

I would agree with a flat income tax. The occupy ppl, as well as the president, keep saying the rich need to pay their 'fair share', and yet their idea of that is far from fair. Yes they have more money, but someone along the way worked those extra few hours, or saved that extra little bit to have it today. Instead of begging for a handout get a fecking job.

[KaliKev]

Originally Posted by Franisco

I would agree with a flat income tax. The occupy ppl, as well as the president, keep saying the rich need to pay their 'fair share', and yet their idea of that is far from fair. Yes they have more money, but someone along the way worked those extra few hours, or saved that extra little bit to have it today. Instead of begging for a handout get a fecking job.

Um those are not who they are talking about. Nothing wrong with working hard and earning money. However there are people who are making millions by ruining this country, and they didnt do it by saving a little extra. This country is corrupt and it's time things change.

What jobs? We are in a freaking recession.

[Dave-ROR]

Originally Posted by serialk11r

Flat tax is actually unprogressive because people with lower income spend more, so they are effectively taxed "higher", as rich people can take what they don't spend and put it into investments. Basic econ

That is true.. I had a long post written up and hit post and then found the server was changing lol.

It included that bit.. anyways...

For all of those that want a flat and fair tax though, that's it. The poor pay the same percentage as the rich. That's truely fair. And that's my problem with a single high sales tax at this point in time with our current financial situation... not that I don't think the poor should pay taxes when 50% of the country doesn't.. they should and that's part of the problem, but I still believe that the rich should pay more as they currently do. I don't believe that they should pay even more than they do now though. I also think that they should pay more for now, but not forever. A flat tax (income or otherwise) should be implemented but first we need to cut spending and get our finances in order before going to that level. Yes, it is unfair towards the rich in the meantime but.. I just don't see a way around that until this country makes it's debt managable.

The end is always the same, the ONLY way to fix our problems is to SPEND LESS MONEY. Same as if you are living paycheck to paycheck while buying $6 starbucks coffees.. SPEND LESS MONEY.

Remove all deductions, keep the current tax rate structure for now AND SPEND LESS MONEY.

[Dave-ROR]

Originally Posted by Dragonitti

Polls show a large % of Americans want the rich to pay more taxes. There is no one solution to the problem, but a collection of things that need to be changed that will aid in solving the problem.

Of course because a large % of Americans aren't "the rich". No one wants to pay more taxes so everyone will always try to make someone else pay more first.

[Dave-ROR]

Originally Posted by Franisco

I would agree with a flat income tax. The occupy ppl, as well as the president, keep saying the rich need to pay their 'fair share', and yet their idea of that is far from fair. Yes they have more money, but someone along the way worked those extra few hours, or saved that extra little bit to have it today. Instead of begging for a handout get a fecking job.

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