GT5 vs Forza 4

[Snaps]

You're saying the premium cars are the "quality" bit and the standard cars are "quantity"?

By adding in hundreds of low-quality standard cars you drag the rest of the game's quality down with it. The game can still shine in areas (Physics, etc.) that are applicable to all cars, but it is severely let down when it comes to the quality of the car models. Either have a small quantity of cars, and have them at consistently good quality (Premium-level), have a large quantity of cars at poor quality (standard-level), or have an average amount of cars with consistently average quality (a-la Forza ). Don't go mixing-and-matching the groups because then you just end up expecting the good cars, while actually getting mostly poor quality cars. It's disappointing, something that is NOT at all good for any developer.

[Dragonitti]

Originally Posted by Snaps

You're saying the premium cars are the "quality" bit and the standard cars are "quantity"?

Yeah that's one way of looking at it.

Originally Posted by Snaps

By adding in hundreds of low-quality standard cars you drag the rest of the game's quality down with it. The game can still shine in areas (Physics, etc.) that are applicable to all cars, but it is severely let down when it comes to the quality of the car models. Either have a small quantity of cars, and have them at consistently good quality (Premium-level), have a large quantity of cars at poor quality (standard-level), or have an average amount of cars with consistently average quality (a-la Forza ).

That's a valid opinion. But I don't do a whole lot of standard car driving. Probably the only standard I drive really is an ITR. Despite the graphics res of standard, the driving and feel of them are on par with the rest of the game. So, I enjoy driving the ITR, and now I can drive it from cockpit view like I do all my premium cars.

Originally Posted by Snaps

Don't go mixing-and-matching the groups because then you just end up expecting the good cars, while actually getting mostly poor quality cars. It's disappointing, something that is NOT at all good for any developer.

I'm not sure I'm following you here. All of them, ALL of the cars are from a physics stand point...Great. They differ in pixels between Standard and Premium.

[4agze]

I know this is offtopic just got my PS3 slim, when charging the controlers do the ps3 need to be turned on?

[ichitaka05]

So today, I went to my friend's place hanging out and played some F4 and I kinda notice something weird bout one thing.

I was watching replay of my friend drifting AE86 and the smoke coming out from was like a small puffs. Like this vid
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Is that cuz of crappy/weak drifting? or it's like that? Just a small puffs dot by dot?

I'm kinda used to seeing GT5's big smokes so rear car can't see where they're going. Like this:
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So just wondering...

Originally Posted by 4agze

I know this is offtopic just got my PS3 slim, when charging the controlers do the ps3 need to be turned on?

Yes

[4agze]

Originally Posted by ichitaka05

Yes

thanks

I know im new and late on the GT5 game and not really good at it yet, All i can say is on 3D mode GT5 just wowed me, my wife says she can almost feel the steering wheel lol

[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by 4agze

thanks

I know im new and late on the GT5 game and not really good at it yet, All i can say is on 3D mode GT5 just wowed me, my wife says she can almost feel the steering wheel lol

I haven't tried 3D mode yet... Due to my TV is't 3DTV

Well, if you wanna do some online drifting and racing hit me up.

PSN: g-impact

[Snaps]

Originally Posted by Dragonitti

I'm not sure I'm following you here. All of them, ALL of the cars are from a physics stand point...Great. They differ in pixels between Standard and Premium.

That's exactly what I meant by the eariler part of my post - the physics of the cars is consistently good, but the graphics vary too much to be able to say the overall/average graphics are good. On average (because of the 80% standard cars) the graphics (of just the cars) are rather poor IMO.

Originally Posted by ichitaka05

So today, I went to my friend's place hanging out and played some F4 and I kinda notice something weird bout one thing.

I was watching replay of my friend drifting AE86 and the smoke coming out from was like a small puffs. Like this vid

Is that cuz of crappy/weak drifting? or it's like that? Just a small puffs dot by dot?

I'm kinda used to seeing GT5's big smokes so rear car can't see where they're going. Like this:

So just wondering...

Forza 3 had the same problem. The Xbox's hardware just isn't powerful enough to render a lot of smoke (smoke is a very hardware-intensive thing to render), but they have managed to add more smoke in Forza 4 than there was in F3.

[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by Snaps

Forza 3 had the same problem. The Xbox's hardware just isn't powerful enough to render a lot of smoke (smoke is a very hardware-intensive thing to render), but they have managed to add more smoke in Forza 4 than there was in F3.

Oh okay, thanks for the info. I thought maybe my friend was just suck at drifting

[Dragonitti]

Originally Posted by ichitaka05

So today, I went to my friend's place hanging out and played some F4 and I kinda notice something weird bout one thing.

I was watching replay of my friend drifting AE86 and the smoke coming out from was like a small puffs. Like this vid

Is that cuz of crappy/weak drifting? or it's like that? Just a small puffs dot by dot?

I'm kinda used to seeing GT5's big smokes so rear car can't see where they're going. Like this:

Yeah I noticed that in all of the F4 drift videos.

Dynamic Smoke = GT5. Smoke produced based on physics of the car, wheel spin, angle, speed...etc.

Non-Dynamic Smoke = F4 Seems like it's just programmed in and puff's like an Indian fire pit.

[Dragonitti]

Originally Posted by Snaps

Forza 3 had the same problem. The Xbox's hardware just isn't powerful enough to render a lot of smoke (smoke is a very hardware-intensive thing to render), but they have managed to add more smoke in Forza 4 than there was in F3.

That's not saying a lot then....lol. I tease.

[Snaps]

Hahaha, I know, the smoke effects are pretty poor, but I guess it's better than nothing?

[4agze]

Originally Posted by ichitaka05

I haven't tried 3D mode yet... Due to my TV is't 3DTV

Well, if you wanna do some online drifting and racing hit me up.

PSN: g-impact

I need to sign up on psn i dont have one yet, beside im like level 6 only lol sad

[82mm 4g63]

Complaining about smoke size, shape, frequency now? When are we going to aim our rage at the rubber we lay down and how it doesn't staying down forever? I mean in real life rubber doesn't evaporate from the blacktop after 30 seconds like in the games.

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I'll be impressed with a console system when it can show me something like this with real time dissipation that takes into consideration the aerodynamics of the vehicle and the weather/wind conditions. :happy0180:

[Dragonitti]

The length of time for tire marks is a lot longer than 30sec.