Unofficial - CEL/SL/Idle Issue List for FR-S/BRZ Owners

[TemeCal]

Originally Posted by vobla6.0

Using intuition and my educational background so far... (mechanical engineering).... I would think they would subject components of the engine ( the cam gears/oil valve) to loads until they fail... (to see at what stresses/forces/#cycles these things fail). I believe what they want to see is if the materials used are on par with specifications (If they are not it might result in recall/lawsuits/legal action)... as materials in your car should have a certain critical stress force/# cycles at which they fail... its just that these specs shoudl be up to par with whatever they were planned out to be for the car in the first place.

In other words, they're using this poor guy's car to beta test.

[Z06tofrs]

Originally Posted by vobla6.0

Using intuition and my educational background so far... (mechanical engineering).... I would think they would subject components of the engine ( the cam gears/oil valve) to loads until they fail... (to see at what stresses/forces/#cycles these things fail). I believe what they want to see is if the materials used are on par with specifications (If they are not it might result in recall/lawsuits/legal action)... as materials in your car should have a certain critical stress force/# cycles at which they fail... its just that these specs shoudl be up to par with whatever they were planned out to be for the car in the first place.

I would think this would involve fatigue testing (repeatedly applying load/given stress to gear and counting # cycles until failure) for the cam gears.. plus other tests (there are many types of tests that can be generalized as stress tests)

If this is the case they are providing you with new parts... but I also understand them doing post production quality checks on your brand new car is nowhere near reassuring...especially if this is as widespread of an issue (50-60 members on this board alone have reported)... you'd expect engineers to do their job before ever selling anything

Dang while I hope not, it would be nice to have the issue solved permanently and have a solution for all of us. That being said if my motor or car is going through that, and I find out tomorrow. I may pop my lid. So If you see a mushroom cloud in the south east of the country that would be me exploding.

Also thank you for clearing that up because honestly I just turn a key shift gears and press the gas. The rest is someone else job.

[jduffy]

Wow, this must be driving dealers insane seeing these cars come back and they can't readily employ a fix for them.

Like most people I'm waiting for that eureka moment when they figure this mess out.

[OmarGC]

Car is now in shop... they still don't know when I'll be getting parts in, but honestly it's frustrating trying to get all this stuff figured out prior to doing heavy modifications. I planned on having my P&L kit installed over the winter months, but waiting on these guys to figure out the simple problems under warranty is killing me and will probably make me hold off on touching the engine bay until I get a lot more mileage on the car.

[vobla6.0]

Originally Posted by Z06tofrs

Dang while I hope not, it would be nice to have the issue solved permanently and have a solution for all of us. That being said if my motor or car is going through that, and I find out tomorrow. I may pop my lid. So If you see a mushroom cloud in the south east of the country that would be me exploding.

Also thank you for clearing that up because honestly I just turn a key shift gears and press the gas. The rest is someone else job.

If that is what they indeed meant by stress tests... I hope they are handing the old parts over to a certified 3rd party (Certified Toyota USA engineers or flying over the technical people from Japan like they did with whiteout's car)... because I do not think that the mechanics at the dealership service would be qualified to run these tests and claim legitimacy behind the test results....

Plus if they are taking the old parts and running tests, they should provide you with the car and new parts installed, so that like you said, you can turn a key, shift gears and press the gas just like you did before all this happened (unless you have experienced the issue several times to this date)

They already made excuses (of a different nature) to other members to buy time, this might as well be one of them

[xn7485]

Service Bulletin 02-132-12 Has Been Removed From STIS For Review

FROM:Subaru of America, Inc.
DEPARTMENT:Service
DATE:09/05/2012
CATEGORY: Parts/Service

Please note that Service Bulletin 02-132-12, DTCs Relating to the AVCS (Active Valve Control System) P000A, P000B, P000C, P000D, P0011, P0014, P0018, P0017, P0019, P0021 & P0024 has been removed from STIS for review.

Please contact the Subaru Techline for assistance.

Looks like the fix is going back under review.

Edit: Oops, already posted here: http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showp...&postcount=435

[Ridenslide]

Frs white..went to finish deal on car only to be told car was in the service dept with cel. Told by dealership that they knew what was wrong p0019 code they would fix and I could take delivery. Week later told car was fixed but toyota put a hold on the car but they had a new one coming from japan. Should take delivery next week. Spoke with scion concerning this issue and was told they were aware of the problems and that parts would not be available until oct.

[pituala]

Wonderful

[01s0uljah]

Guys, I've been informed that SOA was told to take down the TSB regarding the Check Engine Light/Traction Control light. The TSB for Subaru Canada was posted yesterday and was taken down today.

I'm not sure if there is an alternative fix in the works but I'm trying to get more information before I take my car in for the mechanics to work on it. I want to know for sure what cause/fix is before they start working on it.

Does anyone know if its OK to drive with these lights activated?

[pituala]

Got my Corolla rental

[egraphic]

Originally Posted by eurospeed

Folks, my goal is to document the number of owners, their mileage, status of their cars along with other pertinent info. I was planning on doing this privately in Excel, but would rather keep a running list in this thread. I feel it would be a good snapshot to help understand the severity and broad reach of this problem.

POSTING RULES
While this idle issue may manifest itself as an initial dip, please only add your name if you have experienced a combination of the check engine light (CEL) and slip light (SL) in addition to the RPM hunting at idle (often severe shaking and stalling). The code your ECU should have stored is P0019 (also optional P0017, P0018).

Please post the following:
username, FR-S or BRZ, mileage of occurrence, last six of VIN (use XX for last two), duration of repair [3 weeks, in shop, etc.], location [state, country, etc.], other comments [repeat occurrence, items replaced, etc.]

Please let me know if you would like to see additional information. Also, please keep the postings on topic and for the list only. The "Idle Issue" thread is good for general discussion. Thanks everyone.

Magazines reporting the issue:
Automobile Magazine (October 2012 issue)


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1. eurospeed, FR-S, 140 mi, 7075XX, in shop - multiple repair attempts, CT
2. TeamSweet86, BRZ, 20 mi, 6027XX, in shop - multiple repair attempts, CA
3. danthedirt, FR-S, 2000 mi, 1 week - repaired, CA
4. Hammer, BRZ, 6026XX, CA
5. LaserMon, FR-S, 22 km, Canada
6. Vracer111, FR-S, 1100 mi, CEL cleared at 1100 mi, TX
7. benzaholic, FR-S, 700 mi, TX
8. Mr.Roboto, FR-S, 30 mi, CA
9. Yruyur, FR-S, 5700 mi, AZ
10. alrashwa, FR-S, 300 mi, 7073XX, in shop - multiple repair attempts, WA
11. tintumz22, FR-S, 10 mi, repaired, CA
12. Scooby_South, BRZ, WI
13. soconfoozed, BRZ, 3500 mi, in shop - multiple repair attempts, CA
14. oxygen, FR-S, 2700 mi, 7008XX, NE
15. siXXtoes, FR-S, 7066XX, 1 week - repaired, SD
16. Shizzaw, FR-S, 200 mi, in shop, CA
17. QFry, FR-S, 230 mi, CEL cleared at 1130 mi, CO
18. amox, FR-S, 240 mi, CA
19. Vonsamhain, FR-S, 250 mi, 7053XX, repaired, CA
20. 01s0uljah, BRZ, 40 km, Canada
21. STEVEOSTI, BRZ, Canada
22. ShadowSeraph, FR-S, 1000 mi, WI
23. whiteout_fr-s, FR-S, 25 mi, catastrophic engine failure, MA
24. ubersoph, BRZ, WI
25. Stu_L_Tissimus, BRZ, NY
26. mark7s4, FR-S, FL
27. Tricky1980, FR-S, 76 mi, 7077XX, IA
28. Z06tofrs, FR-S, 400 mi, 7067XX, in shop - multiple repair attempts, FL
29. number1Tango, FR-S, 63 mi, 7075XX, CA
30. egraphic, FR-S, 520 mi, 7077XX, car replaced - not repaired, CA
31. whtchocla7e, FR-S, 8 mi, in shop, CT
32. bazi, FR-S, 25 mi, 7077XX, in shop, NC
33. choi0706, BRZ, 200 mi, 6027XX, TX
34. TurnOne, FR-S, 335 mi, 7079XX, in shop, OH
35. thejevans, FR-S, in shop, MD
36. DarkSunrise, FR-S, 120 mi, VA
37. White13frs, FR-S, TX
38. iheartartoo, FR-S, 110 mi, 7071XX, in shop, USA
39. Christina_Marie, FR-S, 40 mi, MA
40. 2000blk, FR-S, 100 mi, 7079XX, in shop, MI
41. gdi2290, BRZ, 717 mi, 6027XX, in shop, CA
42. FLASCH, FR-S, 400 mi, 7078XX, in shop, CA
43. ninetysixzee, FR-S, 2000 mi, 7026XX, CA
44. governor, FR-S, 2069 km, in shop, Canada
45. speedy_racer, FR-S, 335 mi, in shop, NC
46. SubieNate, FR-S, 100 mi, in shop, CA
47. FBaxteR-S, FR-S, 30 km, Canada
48. elchupanebre, BRZ, 470 mi, 6025XX, in shop, UT
49. griffunitt, FR-S, 150 mi, 7088XX, in shop, WI
50. TemeCal, FR-S, 425 mi, 7088XX, in shop, CA
51. twinturba, FR-S, 1510 miles, 7059xx, CA
52. OmarGC, FR-S, 420mi, 7079XX, MO
53. regal, FR-S, 20 mi, 7074XX, PA
54. pituala, FR-S, 900 mi, 7073XX, in shop, FL
55. KingRohan, BRZ, 800 km, 6026XX, Canada
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For #30 above - additional information: received a call from Scion C/S offering to cover one month's car payment for my troubles. Nice deal!

[pituala]

Originally Posted by egraphic

For #30 above - additional information: received a call from Scion C/S offering to cover one month's car payment for my troubles. Nice deal!

Nice!!!

[speedy racer]

Good to hear Scion taking care of customers, Too bad I paid cash.

[Z06tofrs]

Originally Posted by speedy racer

Good to hear Scion taking care of customers, Too bad I paid cash.

Yeah I feel you, although not full cash but close to half.

On another note another update. Picked up my crappy corolla this morning. As of 5:30 pm car is missing half of the engine. They still have no clue what it is; however the "super smart fr-s" guy from out of state is supposedly on the job now. The best part they think they fixed it but can't put it together and run it because the car needs some special coolant that they had to order . Really coolant that a dealership doesn't carry. I started to get a little pissed at that point and had to walk away.

here are the pics i snapped of my car in their shop.