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[wireman957]

Originally Posted by OldSkoolToys

That's not warp speed *ahem* *cough*

Oh, picky, picky, picky. It's just a gif to accentuate his point which is pretty much dead on.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by wireman957

Oh, picky, picky, picky. It's just a gif to accentuate his point which is pretty much dead on.

Nah I was trolling and picked warp speed and that gif just to see how long before somebody called it.

I am a bi universe sci fi nerd and swing both ways.

It did help with the point though as well.

[OldSkoolToys]

I'm a fan of both as well. It's just the nerd in me that couldnt help but point it out.

[nikitopo]

Originally Posted by cf6mech

and no it doesnt handle any better or any worse but almost exactly, if not exactly the same.....total drive train weight gain for me was right around 100lbs..most of the weight gain is from the heavy Tremec compared to the Aisen

Something seems to be wrong with your numbers. Do you tell us that a V8 engine weights the same with the FA20 engine? I am not sure about the details of the LS engine, but the FA20 engine has an aluminum block and cylinder heads. Overall, it is a well thought and modern design engine.

And how did you check that your car handles the same? You are getting too far with this. Even if you have in total only a 100lbs difference, you should have a reasonable difference in handling because the car's center of gravity is now much higher. I don't think there is any other production engine that can sit so low in our cars.

So, I don't accept your argument that you have exactly the same car, but with more power. You made compromises and in fact you got some very bad financial decisions. If you wanted to have a muscle car, you could buy from the beginning a Camaro and have a functional car from day one!


I am not saying that no one else should do this, but at least we should be clear here about the REALITY.

[cf6mech]

Originally Posted by nikitopo

Something seems to be wrong with your numbers. Do you tell us that a V8 engine weights the same with the FA20 engine? I am not sure about the details of the LS engine, but the FA20 engine has an aluminum block and cylinder heads. Overall, it is a well thought and modern design engine.

And how did you check that your car handles the same? You are getting too far with this. Even if you have in total only a 100lbs difference, you should have a reasonable difference in handling because the car's center of gravity is now much higher. I don't think there is any other production engine that can sit so low in our cars.

So, I don't accept your argument that you have exactly the same car, but with more power. You made compromises and in fact you got some very bad financial decisions. If you wanted to have a muscle car, you could buy from the beginning a Camaro and have a functional car from day one!


I am not saying that no one else should do this, but at least we should be clear here about the REALITY.

Well then you need to educate yourself,....dont take my word for it,.....listen to an expert............
http://www.vorshlag.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8275

[Twinz]

I just skimmed through the two pages, but I did not see anything about how the V8-powerd car handled compared to stock, much less an "expert" opinion on said handling.

They added 134lbs, and the corner balance is over 52%.

Neither of those compromises are a train wreck, but they are compromises.

I have driven a couple miata's with V8 swaps. Maybe they were done wrong, but they no longer handled as well as a stock Miata.

[cf6mech]

Originally Posted by Twinz

I just skimmed through the two pages, but I did not see anything about how the V8-powerd car handled compared to stock, much less an "expert" opinion on said handling.

They added 134lbs, and the corner balance is over 52%.

Neither of those compromises are a train wreck, but they are compromises.

I have driven a couple miata's with V8 swaps. Maybe they were done wrong, but they no longer handled as well as a stock Miata.

Ok.....what ever......i was refering to Vorshlag on weights and the balance of the car afterwards not on how it handles.....not going to sit here and argue with people who have never driven my car or a swapped FRS done properly.......no matter what I say im always going to get the fan boys......but yes power is way better and handling is very close to OEM if not the exact same.....with the addition of instant engine torque for steering corrections and engine braking on down shifts is like dropping an anchor out because the car is so light......

[NOHOME]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Oh no doubt!
And then the other guys up the ante and adds more power then, the other guy adds more, then the other, and so on until they run out of money or somebody discovers warp speed.

That is sorta what it felt like to drive the V8 Miata. And I can safely say that the one I drove kept all the nice Miata-like manners and handling until you dropped the hammer. Then it got interesting.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by NOHOME

That is sorta what it felt like to drive the V8 Miata. And I can safely say that the one I drove kept all the nice Miata-like manners and handling until you dropped the hammer. Then it got interesting.

Yes. So no longer a "Miata".

[FX86]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Yes. So no longer a "Miata".

right! modding a car to that level makes it technically like this..it's just a body over something totally different from the factory:

[Summerwolf]

Originally Posted by nikitopo

Something seems to be wrong with your numbers. Do you tell us that a V8 engine weights the same with the FA20 engine? I am not sure about the details of the LS engine, but the FA20 engine has an aluminum block and cylinder heads. Overall, it is a well thought and modern design engine.

Do a little research, the LSx (x being variant) is a well thought out, modern design as well. Aluminum block and cylinder heads in a compact design with large displacement.


Basically why the engine is swapped so much over offerings by other companies. It is compact, reliable, and lightweight.


FA20 dry supposedly weighs 377 lbs based off a thread I found on ft86club.
LS1, there are multiple quotes depending on where you look.... but fully dressed with oil around 430 according to hot rod magazine.

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by Summerwolf

Do a little research, the LSx (x being variant) is a well thought out, modern design as well. Aluminum block and cylinder heads in a compact design with large displacement.


Basically why the engine is swapped so much over offerings by other companies. It is compact, reliable, and lightweight.


FA20 dry supposedly weighs 377 lbs based off a thread I found on ft86club.
LS1, there are multiple quotes depending on where you look.... but fully dressed with oil around 430 according to hot rod magazine.

The swap seems to add ~100-250 lbs to the curb weight of an 86.

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=38499

http://www.vorshlag.com/forums/showt...?t=8275&page=2

[cf6mech]

We are not talking this, as some are trying to argue......this is not a Camry, but in my view a engine swap does not make a twin or any other car for that matter change every characteristics of said car to the point it loses its identity in particular quirks and inherent qualities and short comings to the point of badging alone, thats simple ridiculous ......unless you live in a world of only black or white.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

The swap seems to add ~100-250 lbs to the curb weight of an 86.

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=38499

http://www.vorshlag.com/forums/showt...?t=8275&page=2

Yep. Dry engine weight is just part of it. Changed tranny, more oil, heavier mounts to handle HP and so on all add up.