Frs vs s2000

[ZDan]

Originally Posted by Dave-ROR

I didn't say they weren't

you were clearly concerned about bushings that aren't a big deal and in many cases last the life of the car. Yer welcome for the info!

[Dave-ROR]

Originally Posted by ZDan

you were clearly concerned about bushings that aren't a big deal and in many cases last the life of the car. Yer welcome for the info!

Actually I wasn't. I said that they are generally worn at that mileage (I've yet to ever see one at 160K that aren't worn) but work. Replacing them makes a difference if it's a track car. I never said they were bad, or failed.

I've have seen bushings fail (rear trailing arm bushings in a DC2, or an E36 for that matter are prime examples). When they fail depends on a lot of things. I am not at all surprised by bushings that are still functioning fine at 160K. Most of mine were in the Integra, the RTA bushings were the only truly failed bushings, the others had enough wear and play that replacing them made a difference in how the car felt overall.

I'm pretty sure you know that you don't live in a magical world where rubber bushings don't wear.

[iLuveKetchup]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

I've seen failures on the newer ECU.

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

Sometimes I wonder if we're smoking something for getting a second BRZ...

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by iLuveKetchup

[ZDan]

Originally Posted by Dave-ROR

Actually I wasn't. I said that they are generally worn at that mileage (I've yet to ever see one at 160K that aren't worn) but work. Replacing them makes a difference if it's a track car. I never said they were bad, or failed.

They are not worn to any extent that hinders their functionality on the street or at the track.

I'm pretty sure you know that you don't live in a magical world where rubber bushings don't wear.

I'm pretty sure that if I were making the S2000 into a more serious track car I'd be going to polyurethane bushings anyway.

[regal]

[QUOTE=ZDan;1374195]They are not worn to any extent that hinders their functionality on the street or at the track.

QUOTE]



Yea but if we are comparing new car ('86) vs an S2k you have to rebuild the 10 yo suspension of the S2k, functional is different than new. One of the best things about a new car is all new bushings and the tight suspension


And I still stand by my onion that in small towns finding a mechanic with the tools to replace S2k DW bushings is expensive and a PITA. A hairline crack in a susp bushing here will fail inspection (there are fewer older cars on the road her due to stringent inspection.)


But over all the the S2 needs so little maintenances and has proven reliability that even an average even a 10y S2k is a relatively low risk buy.




Never understood why they designed it 400 lbs heavier than a Miata and I guess that's why I never bought one.

[ayau]

Originally Posted by Dave-ROR

Sadly I'm halfway there. The GS-R I never worry about so it's a solid (if not ideal for street use) backup. The M3 will break of course. It's a BMW. But that goes back to the GS-R.. for a DD the M has more room and a more usable trunk. I find myself barely driving the BRZ anymore. Ironically I did drive it today because I didn't feel like moving the GS-R out of the M3's way..

lol, join the club. Selling the BRZ is the new hotness now.

[ayau]

Originally Posted by Dave-ROR

Actually I wasn't. I said that they are generally worn at that mileage (I've yet to ever see one at 160K that aren't worn) but work. Replacing them makes a difference if it's a track car. I never said they were bad, or failed.

I've have seen bushings fail (rear trailing arm bushings in a DC2, or an E36 for that matter are prime examples). When they fail depends on a lot of things. I am not at all surprised by bushings that are still functioning fine at 160K. Most of mine were in the Integra, the RTA bushings were the only truly failed bushings, the others had enough wear and play that replacing them made a difference in how the car felt overall.

I'm pretty sure you know that you don't live in a magical world where rubber bushings don't wear.

I'm thinking of replacing the bushings soon in the ITR. It has 136k. Might be a good winter project, lol.

[CSG Mike]

[quote=regal;1374226]

Originally Posted by ZDan

They are not worn to any extent that hinders their functionality on the street or at the track.

QUOTE]



Yea but if we are comparing new car ('86) vs an S2k you have to rebuild the 10 yo suspension of the S2k, functional is different than new. One of the best things about a new car is all new bushings and the tight suspension


And I still stand by my onion that in small towns finding a mechanic with the tools to replace S2k DW bushings is expensive and a PITA. A hairline crack in a susp bushing here will fail inspection (there are fewer older cars on the road her due to stringent inspection.)


But over all the the S2 needs so little maintenances and has proven reliability that even an average even a 10y S2k is a relatively low risk buy.




Never understood why they designed it 400 lbs heavier than a Miata and I guess that's why I never bought one.

The power and rigidity has to some from somewhere...

my 118k mile old bushings and shocks are just fine...

[Dave-ROR]

Originally Posted by ZDan

I'm pretty sure that if I were making the S2000 into a more serious track car I'd be going to polyurethane bushings anyway.

I don't like poly bushings. Delrin or spherical bearings instead IMO.

Some of the Integra bushings I'm going to switch to spherical, mainly the RTAB and front compliance bushings.

[regal]

Originally Posted by Dave-ROR

I don't like poly bushings. Delrin or spherical bearings instead IMO.

Some of the Integra bushings I'm going to switch to spherical, mainly the RTAB and front compliance bushings.

Yes I don't like poly bushing on the street either. That's where it gets costly rebuilding an S2k's suspension, the OEM bushings aren't cheap.

[ZDan]

Originally Posted by regal

Yea but if we are comparing new car ('86) vs an S2k you have to rebuild the 10 yo suspension of the S2k,

No, you don't.

functional is different than new.

As far as I can tell, function isn't degraded.

One of the best things about a new car is all new bushings and the tight suspension

The suspension on my S2000 is still very tight, dampers are all still working great as well.

And I still stand by my onion that in small towns finding a mechanic with the tools to replace S2k DW bushings is expensive and a PITA. A hairline crack in a susp bushing here will fail inspection (there are fewer older cars on the road her due to stringent inspection.)

That's f'd up. Reason enough to leave PA!

But over all the the S2 needs so little maintenances and has proven reliability that even an average even a 10y S2k is a relatively low risk buy.

Trooof.

Never understood why they designed it 400 lbs heavier than a Miata and I guess that's why I never bought one.

I was disappointed with the weight when it came out as well, but as already mentioned the additional weight was not for nothing. WAY more power, MUCH stiffer chassis. Longer wheelbase also adds weight, but allowed for the engine to be set further back for 49/51 weight distribution vs. 52/48 for the Miata.

I'm a big stickler on weight, but for me the S2000 was the easy choice for a stockish daily-driver that's also reasonably quick and fun at the track. Oh, and it looks way cooler, too

[CSG Mike]

It's just a Miata on steroids. People still call it a miata.

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if it hasn't already been posted, these guys did a pretty good review between the frs s2k and rx8!

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jImHTWfj8aM"]FRS (GT86, BRZ) vs RX8 vs S2000 Review - Everyday Driver - YouTube[/ame]