Advanced driving.

[Luis_GT]

Originally Posted by litemup

Mmmmm, sorry Luis. Gotta disagree with you here. Engine braking is really only good for saving wheel brakes on long downhills.

That's why my brakes have gone 4K miles and 2 full track sessions and they still have life

[litemup]

Originally Posted by chrisl

Clutchless shifting is kinda hard on the synchros - I wouldn't get in the habit of doing it too often.

Agreed.

To clarify, not because racecar, but because every transmission is different. If you already know your transmission you won't have to learn after your clutch master puked on you and you want to get home before the ice cream melts.

[litemup]

Originally Posted by Luis_GT

That's why my brakes have gone 4K miles and 2 full track sessions and they still have life

Amen, brotha.

[Corradooo]

Originally Posted by paulca

It is not "me" who is right, all the advanced driving schools that deal with public road driving use the same or similar systematic approaches. It is used by ambulance drivers and police pursuit drivers. They don't heel and toe or rev match either as there is no need and it just adds workload. For that you'll need to go to track school or rally school.

I was under the impression that ambulances and police per suit cars were all automatic. So I don't think this applies.

[stugray]

Originally Posted by Luis_GT

I'm going by my track experience which is always faster to have the engine help with braking.

You keep interjecting talking about 'on the track'.

I did say that there were benefits to engine braking in certain circumstances.
If you are faster because of engine braking, it is not that you now have MORE braking power, just that you are probably in better tune with the vehicle and maintaining positive control on the connection between engine & drivetrain.

In racing, it is imperative to be in the correct gear at all times.
On the street, not so much.
Sometimes on the street it is best just to clutch in from 50 MPH and coast to the stoplight with the brakes.
That's all the OP is saying, just relax and pay attention.

And I can certainly stop faster from 100-0 in a straight line with JUST BRAKES than anyone can by heel-toe downshifting through 5 gears.
Anyone who would claim otherwise is delusional.

[Luis_GT]

Originally Posted by stugray

You keep interjecting talking about 'on the track'.

I did say that there were benefits to engine braking in certain circumstances.
If you are faster because of engine braking, it is not that you now have MORE braking power, just that you are probably in better tune with the vehicle and maintaining positive control on the connection between engine & drivetrain.

In racing, it is imperative to be in the correct gear at all times.
On the street, not so much.
Sometimes on the street it is best just to clutch in from 50 MPH and coast to the stoplight with the brakes.
That's all the OP is saying, just relax and pay attention.

And I can certainly stop faster from 100-0 in a straight line with JUST BRAKES than anyone can by heel-toe downshifting through 5 gears.
Anyone who would claim otherwise is delusional.

Have you any real world data to prove this?

[litemup]

Originally Posted by chrisl

double clutching is unnecessary pretty much everywhere

While on the subject of being nice to syncros, with each downshift, especially if skipping a gear (or two!) to set up for a pass, you're putting a shit-ton of stress on that lower gear syncro and shift fork to spool up the input shaft.

I double-clutch my downshifts because I know what's going on inside there, am OCD, and it's a habit as much as picking my nose.


Oooo, better not do that in traffic either.

[Corradooo]

Originally Posted by litemup

While on the subject of being nice to syncros, with each downshift, especially if skipping a gear (or two!) to set up for a pass, you're putting a shit-ton of stress on that lower gear syncro to spool up the input shaft.

I double-clutch my downshifts because I know what's going on inside there and I am unable to ignore it.

McLovin the racecar instructor


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[Luis_GT]

Originally Posted by litemup

While on the subject of being nice to syncros, with each downshift, especially if skipping a gear (or two!) to set up for a pass, you're putting a shit-ton of stress on that lower gear syncro to spool up the input shaft.

I double-clutch my downshifts because I know what's going on inside there and I am unable to ignore it.

I downshift through all the gears... never skip a gear... bad habit

[litemup]

Originally Posted by Corradooo

McLovin the racecar instructor

Not on the track, dufus.


Edit: wait, damn it, I'm lost.

[Corradooo]

[quote=litemup;1935978]

Originally Posted by Corradooo

McLovin the racecar instructor/QUOTE]

Not on the track, dufus.

I don't even know what this means... What about not on the track? I was just commenting on your main picture, and racecar like instruction. Hence the "McLovin the racecar instructor"...... Dufus...


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[litemup]

[quote=Corradooo;1935985]

Originally Posted by litemup

I don't even know what this means... What about not on the track? I was just commenting on your main picture, and racecar like instruction. Hence the "McLovin the racecar instructor"...... Dufus...


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No, right, I gotcha... duh. soooorrryyyy.

[stugray]

Originally Posted by Luis_GT

Have you any real world data to prove this?

Yes it's called "it's simple physics" as mentioned by someone else here.
If I just stomp on the brakes and threshold brake all the way to a stop, that is faster stopping than you trying to downshift through each gear, unless perhaps you have a third leg to hold the brake down with. (insert large penis joke here)

I cant even believe we are still discussing it.

Why dont you please explain how engine braking plus regular brakes can make more deceleration than just brakes alone.

[Corradooo]

All of you talkin about double clutching are idiots. If your not at LEAST triple clutching your not using enough brain capacity while driving, and your never going to impress anyone. A real advanced driver is one who can use all 3 pedals, talk on the phone, roll a joint, and hold your beer while still maintaining 80mph on a highway. It's all about controlling the steering wheel with your knee


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