Turbo Reliability VS Supercharger reliability

[scmil95eg]

Originally Posted by King Tut

My advice to the OP is that he is not ready for the responsibility of owning a forced induction BRZ/FR-S regardless of turbo or supercharger.

I've seen several people make the same suggestions to the OP so I'm not calling you out specifically, but I'm interested in learning why you (or anyone else) thinks that way.

If I told you (or anyone else) that I didn't know how to swim, but wanted to learn, would you recommend that I avoid any and all contact with water until I learned how?

I hope you can see the catch 22.

If OP wants a little more power out of his car but doesn't know the difference between a wastegate and a BOV - I recommend diving in! Every cowboy has a first rodeo, and internal combustion knowledge isn't human instinct. Make mistakes, learn from them, and continue to build your knowledge and experience base.

No one knows it all. But if they claim to, disregard & run.

[CSG David]

Originally Posted by scmil95eg

I've seen several people make the same suggestions to the OP so I'm not calling you out specifically, but I'm interested in learning why you (or anyone else) thinks that way.

If I told you (or anyone else) that I didn't know how to swim, but wanted to learn, would you recommend that I avoid any and all contact with water until I learned how?

I hope you can see the catch 22.

If OP wants a little more power out of his car but doesn't know the difference between a wastegate and a BOV - I recommend diving in! Every cowboy has a first rodeo, and internal combustion knowledge isn't human instinct. Make mistakes, learn from them, and continue to build your knowledge and experience base.

No one knows it all. But if they claim to, disregard & run.

If the OP is willing to make the effort, time, and resources to do things right, then by all means, we are all willing to help out. Just to give you some food for thought, the turbo setup requires you to be quite proactive with your maintenance and troubleshooting. Why our client continues to run with no issues despite being turbo'd for this long is a testament as to how preventative work goes a long way. To this day, we haven't seen a turbo'd FRS/BRZ run full weekends and back to back to back weekends without any issues. It's just the nature of the beast, but when it works, my gawd it's nice.

And then there's the supercharger...yes...no issues have come about with our 6 months of testing, but the power output is not as exciting as the turbo.

[Boxer486]

Originally Posted by scmil95eg

I've seen several people make the same suggestions to the OP so I'm not calling you out specifically, but I'm interested in learning why you (or anyone else) thinks that way.

If I told you (or anyone else) that I didn't know how to swim, but wanted to learn, would you recommend that I avoid any and all contact with water until I learned how?

I hope you can see the catch 22.

I don't see it. We ARE asking the OP to learn before going FI. You are asking him to just jump into the water.

[evan]

A built shortblock and an n2o wet shot is your best best.

[scmil95eg]

Acknowledged. But I still don't agree with the need for higher education. Hypothetically, if I paid a shop to install a turbo kit on my FR-S and tune it, and I drove away and something went wrong, I'm bringing it back to the shop to figure out. Because I didn't do it. And I have no idea what the shop did. But I paid for a finished product. So making it right is the shops responsibility. If a product flaw makes it impossible for a shop to make cars run right or reliable, I'd still say this is the shops responsibility for selling it.

Once it's right, besides changing oil and keeping gas in it, what do I need to constantly diagnose?

My little brother doesn't know anything about cars, engines, tuning, parts - nothing. But he wanted his celica gts to be faster. So 7 years ago he paid a local shop to fab and install a turbo kit on it. He paid another local shop to tune it. He's changed the air filter a couple times, changes the oil, keeps gas in the tank, and drives his car. To this day he still knows NOTHING about how anything works. He turns the key, magic happens, and he drives.

[CSG David]

Originally Posted by scmil95eg

Acknowledged. But I still don't agree with the need for higher education. Hypothetically, if I paid a shop to install a turbo kit on my FR-S and tune it, and I drove away and something went wrong, I'm bringing it back to the shop to figure out. Because I didn't do it. And I have no idea what the shop did. But I paid for a finished product. So making it right is the shops responsibility. If a product flaw makes it impossible for a shop to make cars run right or reliable, I'd still say this is the shops responsibility for selling it.

Once it's right, besides changing oil and keeping gas in it, what do I need to constantly diagnose?

My little brother doesn't know anything about cars, engines, tuning, parts - nothing. But he wanted his celica gts to be faster. So 7 years ago he paid a local shop to fab and install a turbo kit on it. He paid another local shop to tune it. He's changed the air filter a couple times, changes the oil, keeps gas in the tank, and drives his car. To this day he still knows NOTHING about how anything works. He turns the key, magic happens, and he drives.

It's a little more complicated than that for the FA20 engine. The 2ZZ is a good engine...much better than the FA20...

[sw20kosh]

Originally Posted by CSG David

It's a little more complicated than that for the FA20 engine. The 2ZZ is a good engine...much better than the FA20...

....subjective

F20c/F22c1 is better.

[Boxer486]

You also don't need to look at the road when you're driving, but it might be a good idea.

[KGB]

Originally Posted by CSG David

If the OP is willing to make the effort, time, and resources to do things right, then by all means, we are all willing to help out. Just to give you some food for thought, the turbo setup requires you to be quite proactive with your maintenance and troubleshooting. Why our client continues to run with no issues despite being turbo'd for this long is a testament as to how preventative work goes a long way. To this day, we haven't seen a turbo'd FRS/BRZ run full weekends and back to back to back weekends without any issues. It's just the nature of the beast, but when it works, my gawd it's nice.

And then there's the supercharger...yes...no issues have come about with our 6 months of testing, but the power output is not as exciting as the turbo.

how much less exciting than the turbo?
I dont mind sacrificing a little bit of power for reliablity.

[KGB]

Thanks again for all the information guys. You have been a big help so far!

[Reaper]

380wtq vs 260wtq

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[KGB]

Originally Posted by evan

A built shortblock and an n2o wet shot is your best best.

I have no clue what any of that means

[Boxer486]

Originally Posted by KGB

I have no clue what any of that means

He wants you to spend about 10% the cost of your car to live your life one 1/4 mile at a time like Vin Diesel. Just ignore him lol.

[BadBRZ]

Electric supercharger is the most reliable....

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