Frs vs 13' sti

[MTCRX]

After looking at your course map I think your biggest challenge will be the first 180 turn on the first leg of the course. You will lose a lot of speed then need to accelerate back up to speed, that will be the lost time. Arc the turn as wide as possible, or if too tight, brake hard past the inside cone then make a quick turn back on the course for the next gate.The rest is all momentum course. Brake as little as possible and be smooth to hold high speeds through the other gates. The last 180 on the left side looks wide enough you should be able to hold good speed through it to the finish. Find that sweet-spot where you are at the edge of traction and holding a slight drift through the last 180 and you will be fast. SMOOTH and EASY and you will be fast. And remember to breathe while you are on course!!

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by karma003

Fact? I have plenty of records that have been recorded where ive beat mustangs & camaros at the track. We're all here for the frs for the same reason NOBODY HERE GIVES A DAMN ABOUT STRAIGHT LINE DRAG RACING CRAP! If u do, sorry to say but ur in then wrong forum. This car is fast! Maybe not in straight lines like a mustang, but like I said, who here cares?

i dont think you get it. you beating other drivers doesnt prove anything. i dont care so much about how fast a car is in a straight line. anybody who thinks the frs is a fast car but the mustang gt is not fast(er) is a naive. i guess we will just have to see what happens when the latest car and driver lightning lap times are released.

[Celica00]

Originally Posted by fatoni

i dont think you get it. you beating other drivers doesnt prove anything. i dont care so much about how fast a car is in a straight line. anybody who thinks the frs is a fast car but the mustang gt is not fast(er) is a naive. i guess we will just have to see what happens when the latest car and driver lightning lap times are released.

http://autoblog.ca/reader/news/toyot...griffon-by-trd

the [GT86] was recently tested at the Tsukuba Circuit where it posted an astonishing lap time of 1:01:872. For comparison, Fastestlaps.com says the Ferrari 458 Italia takes 1:02.24 to complete the same task.

just food for thought. personally, after i read this, i climaxed.

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by Celica00

http://autoblog.ca/reader/news/toyot...griffon-by-trd

the [GT86] was recently tested at the Tsukuba Circuit where it posted an astonishing lap time of 1:01:872. For comparison, Fastestlaps.com says the Ferrari 458 Italia takes 1:02.24 to complete the same task.

just food for thought. personally, after i read this, i climaxed.

that is a fast time but there are two things that i think about when looking at that data. one, that is a crazy small track. taking hp out of the equation is a useful tool but, imo, not acomplete picture of how good a car is. taking a car to a track like that is almost as misleading as taking cars to a dragstrip. its just a portion of the car. two, that is a trd concept car if im reading right. that article states: "We will find out more on the 11th of January when TRD officially releases the specifications, but were are 100-percent certain that there is a lot more tweaking going on than just some suspension stiffening and exhaust work"

[Celica00]

Originally Posted by fatoni

that is a fast time but there are two things that i think about when looking at that data. one, that is a crazy small track. taking hp out of the equation is a useful tool but, imo, not acomplete picture of how good a car is. taking a car to a track like that is almost as misleading as taking cars to a dragstrip. its just a portion of the car. two, that is a trd concept car if im reading right. that article states: "We will find out more on the 11th of January when TRD officially releases the specifications, but were are 100-percent certain that there is a lot more tweaking going on than just some suspension stiffening and exhaust work"

i was just giving that to the forum that i found in another thread as some interesting tidbits. i love all the opinions regarding the debate.

[cruzinbill]

Originally Posted by fatoni

if you are gonna ague based on this logic it would be stupid to get the frs over just buying a miata and supercharging that or the host of any cheaper cars that will turn faster laptimes when spending money in the aftermarket instead of oem. why arent you guys running around in mustangs? the gt can be had for frs money and mod for mod will always stomp the frs.

dont confuse what im saying for frs hate. i love the car. the problem is that when you talk about "eating" cars and dollars, you are making an objective argument. objectively the frs is a very poor option for a sports car.

we arent talking about a miata..... the thread is sti vs frs. for equal money i think the frs would be faster.

Now, would a miata be faster for the same money... idk maybe its the same price range and about the same power. tho I feel the FRS handles better, but thats a subjective opinion. I do believe it would be faster than an sti still tho

[chulooz]

Originally Posted by Celica00

http://autoblog.ca/reader/news/toyot...griffon-by-trd

the [GT86] was recently tested at the Tsukuba Circuit where it posted an astonishing lap time of 1:01:872. For comparison, Fastestlaps.com says the Ferrari 458 Italia takes 1:02.24 to complete the same task.

just food for thought. personally, after i read this, i climaxed.

This is misleading, that is not the gt86's track time. As pointed out that is an unrevealed TRD concept.

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by cruzinbill

we arent talking about a miata..... the thread is sti vs frs. for equal money i think the frs would be faster.

Now, would a miata be faster for the same money... idk maybe its the same price range and about the same power. tho I feel the FRS handles better, but thats a subjective opinion. I do believe it would be faster than an sti still tho

the point is stock v mods is stupid. the miata thing was just to show that its a slippery slope. as an aside, the miata has a similar msrp but you can buy a supercharger, intake, exhaust, suspension, clutch and a roll bar and still be under the price of a brz. in my area. im not sure the frs has better suspension. just more aggressive from the factory.

[Celica00]

Originally Posted by chulooz

This is misleading, that is not the gt86's track time. As pointed out that is an unrevealed TRD concept.

we got that already

[cruzinbill]

Originally Posted by fatoni

the point is stock v mods is stupid. the miata thing was just to show that its a slippery slope. as an aside, the miata has a similar msrp but you can buy a supercharger, intake, exhaust, suspension, clutch and a roll bar and still be under the price of a brz. in my area. im not sure the frs has better suspension. just more aggressive from the factory.

Huh? the base miata is 24k and the frs is 26k(both rounded up of course). Where do you plan to get all of those upgrades for 2k?

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by cruzinbill

Huh? the base miata is 24k and the frs is 26k(both rounded up of course). Where do you plan to get all of those upgrades for 2k?

i suggest you actually read my post.

[cruzinbill]

Originally Posted by fatoni

i suggest you actually read my post.

what that you said a brz instead? constantly changing the given scenario doesnt prove any point at all.

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by cruzinbill

what that you said a brz instead? constantly changing the given scenario doesnt prove any point at all.

dollar for dollar you can still get a miata faster than the frs. it was just convenient to use the brz as the difference is larger than flyinmiatas targa kit. if i were to use an frs and a base miata there is still change for a supercharger.

[cruzinbill]

Originally Posted by fatoni

dollar for dollar you can still get a miata faster than the frs. it was just convenient to use the brz as the difference is larger than flyinmiatas targa kit. if i were to use an frs and a base miata there is still change for a supercharger.

Thats 5100 for the sc, thats still not the 2k difference as said before. Now if you are saying that for the price of the sti both the miata and frs can be made same or faster.... then yes I would agree. which was the original point.