Subaru BRZ Prototype Review by Car and Driver. Calls it a Knockout. - Page 7 - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

Matador · 10-20-2011, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by madfast

all i got to say is this:

yeah right subaru developed this car all by themselves...

Quick, caption it "Haters gonna hate"

Dimman · 10-20-2011, 08:49 PM

Yeah, those output figures aren't really possible for a non-boosted engine.

If some insider was messing with a writer and said the BMEP of the engine is 210 psi, and the writer doesn't fully understand how it works, then they would end up with those figures.

If it really does produce a BMEP of 210 psi it is still EPIC, especially at 4000 rpm. But in reality the number will taper down at peak hp. If it drops 10% it would keep the 170 lb-ft @ 4000 but the bhp peak would have to move up to 6900 rpm to make 200 bhp. Still pretty good power curve.

If it only dropped 5% it could make 205 bhp @ 6700 rpm. Which would be wicked.

Edit: Or 200 bhp @ 6500 rpm with that 5% drop...

Whatever the case the mag numbers are not possible, but 210 psi at 4000 rpm torque peak would be very nice.

(Also note that BMEP for torque is not attached to rpm, so the 4000 rpm could also be very optimistic. 210 psi BMEP on a 2.0L motor equates to 170 lb-ft, but doesn't tell us where in the rpm range.)

SUB-FT86 · 10-20-2011, 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by MatadorRacing_F1

Are you butt-hurt that Honda isn't building this car and Toyota is? Makes it a little more believable/acceptable to you that Subaru is doing the Lion's share of the engineering?

I'm not trying to be an ass, just genuinely asking.

Wow!! You are so ignorant on the situation. Honda sucks a whole lot of ass and I could care less about them since the 90's. I am not bias to any brand here. I just use common sense. You're the one that's butt-hurt it seems because I also dislike Subaru. I pledge no allegiance to any brand.

ydooby · 10-20-2011, 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by SUB-FT86

I am not bias to any brand here. ... I pledge no allegiance to any brand.

Um sure... cuz your user name is so neutral....

coyote · 10-20-2011, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by madfast

-Aisin tranny, both of them, are toyota related
-Denso ECU (probably), toyota related

Just so as you know, the Subaru STi 6 speed gearbox has always been manufactured by Aisin and all 32bit Subaru ECUs come from Denso.

blofeld42 · 10-20-2011, 09:51 PM

I suspect the $28K price is at a high trim level--fancy wheels, maybe some drop-in suspension and brake upgrades--while the Scion price is probably advertised at a lower trim level and will come in cheaper.

Anyway, it's a promising teaser. BRZ @ $28K and 6.0-6.2 sec 0-60. The Genesis Coupe 2.0T C&D tested a year ago was around $28K as configured, 7 sec 0-60. The 3.8 was 5.7 sec but $30K as tested (track package). The Miata is about a second slower than the time estimated for the BRZ, though nobody buys a Miata for straight-line speed.

It should be plenty fast enough to get into trouble, and it sounds like it handles well. We'll see if the reality matches up to the pre-release corporate hype.

SUB-FT86 · 10-20-2011, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by ydooby

Um sure... cuz your user name is so neutral....

Hahaha...My nickname is SubNegro. On Gencoupe.com my handle is Sub-Gen,on ClubRSX it's Sub-RSX so I'm sorry to burst your bubble but I dislike Subarus mainly because of there terrible styling.

Buggy51 · 10-20-2011, 10:46 PM

Eh... the 28k better be the highest trim for Subaru at MSRP... -_-;

Though I found it fascinating that they were driving the automatic (yeah, most of you would yack at that :P) and currently found it to be handling great still. Should be better then for those that drive it manually?

Matador · 10-20-2011, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by SUB-FT86

Wow!! You are so ignorant on the situation. Honda sucks a whole lot of ass and I could care less about them since the 90's. I am not bias to any brand here. I just use common sense. You're the one that's butt-hurt it seems because I also dislike Subaru. I pledge no allegiance to any brand.

I see what you did there.

p.s. I'm not a brand guy either, but I don't dish undue hate. Keep it classy.

blofeld42 · 10-20-2011, 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Buggy51

Eh... the 28k better be the highest trim for Subaru at MSRP... -_-;

Eh. Of course they're going to be quoting MSRP--they're quoting the M's suggestions for the retail price! The Mustang V6 C&D tested came in at $30K after a ~$2K handling package, for, OK, a 5.4 second 0-60 but a 3500lb curb weight with a live axle. Their Camaro LT 6 cylinder was tested at $29K with a 3800 lb (!) curb weight and 5.9 sec 0-60.

What is everyone comparing this to?

coyote · 10-21-2011, 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by blofeld42

What is everyone comparing this to?

I'm comparing it to a Lotus Evora.

quik1987 · 10-21-2011, 12:26 AM

Porsche Cayman

czar07 · 10-21-2011, 01:51 AM

i getting fking annoyed by this subaru pro bullshit. pretty sure the project engineer(from toyota) clearly said that they were borrowing Subaru's "boxer CONFIGURATION". thats all. its meant to be a complete new block with d4s and yamaha heads.

blur · 10-21-2011, 02:11 AM

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Originally Posted by blofeld42

What is everyone comparing this to?

My mom's minivan

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10-20-2011, 09:51 PM	#90
blofeld42 Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Drives: econobox Location: usa Posts: 25 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I suspect the $28K price is at a high trim level--fancy wheels, maybe some drop-in suspension and brake upgrades--while the Scion price is probably advertised at a lower trim level and will come in cheaper. Anyway, it's a promising teaser. BRZ @ $28K and 6.0-6.2 sec 0-60. The Genesis Coupe 2.0T C&D tested a year ago was around $28K as configured, 7 sec 0-60. The 3.8 was 5.7 sec but $30K as tested (track package). The Miata is about a second slower than the time estimated for the BRZ, though nobody buys a Miata for straight-line speed. It should be plenty fast enough to get into trouble, and it sounds like it handles well. We'll see if the reality matches up to the pre-release corporate hype.

10-20-2011, 10:46 PM	#92
Buggy51 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Drives: Put Put Location: CA Posts: 607 Thanks: 8 Thanked 10 Times in 9 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Eh... the 28k better be the highest trim for Subaru at MSRP... -_-; Though I found it fascinating that they were driving the automatic (yeah, most of you would yack at that :P) and currently found it to be handling great still. Should be better then for those that drive it manually?

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quik1987 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Drives: Bugatti Veyron Location: Toronto, ON Posts: 1,338 Thanks: 141 Thanked 569 Times in 256 Posts Mentioned: 10 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Porsche Cayman

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czar07 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Drives: '97 RSP JZZ30 GT-T Location: Australia Posts: 612 Thanks: 365 Thanked 192 Times in 101 Posts Mentioned: 2 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	i getting fking annoyed by this subaru pro bullshit. pretty sure the project engineer(from toyota) clearly said that they were borrowing Subaru's "boxer CONFIGURATION". thats all. its meant to be a complete new block with d4s and yamaha heads.

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