Vivid Racing - Agency Power Dyno Runs Part III

[ichitaka05]

Guys, if you guys gonna debate bout 1:1 dyno, let's do it on different thread cuz, it's becoming "off-topic" a bit

[Dimman]

Originally Posted by vividracing

You are trying to hard to prove something. That clearly is pointing some direction. I have not seen you ask other vendors these same questions. Hidden Agenda Much?
Every shop took Subaru parts and looked at this car. You have to start some place. If you knew anything you would know that none of that stuff fits. Hell a lot of vendors here sell the rear suspension bits off wrx. Don't see you calling them out. Also I said it and one more time. These are NOT made overseas. These are being made in house in Arizona. So the whole overseas point is dead.
You assume way to much. I have brought FACT to this thread. You have only added assumptions and second hand info at best. Over and Over again. Time for the Troll to move on.

Right...

I questioned Perrin and Nameless rather directly about their dyno figures. Instead of them treating is as an attack they engaged in explanation. No problems. Nameless discussed other issues, asked for advice and I ended up adding them to my friends here. Both have also been fantastically open anyways.

ARK got called out for calling 304 stainless 'the best'.

Accelerated took criticism for calling their system 100% stainless when they used a fair number of 409 components.

But this is about you, right? The poor victim in all this.

Is it trolling that I kindly suggested you double check your parts (specifically the flywheel) to avoid future problems in the first results thread that YOU screwed up royally in? And completely ignored that until you were required to redo the other thread UNDER THREAT OF SERIOUS CONSEQUENCES? Were you hoping we were all stupid? Or are you really that clueless?

But back to the topic at hand, you still haven't given the identity of the 'overseas' country that does the majority of your exhaust work.

And you STILL haven't given us a dyno on what the individual exhaust parts make. Or even what all your exhaust parts make without rotating mass reduction (see below).

And I do know a thing or two about fab work.

Originally Posted by Dave-ROR

Yes but the gains aren't as easily compared to the other shops 5th gear pulls. There will be a difference.

I also thought they were doing a full exhaust and no pulley pull.

[dabocx]

The said that they would put up the rest of the dynos on monday, including individual parts.


This is getting silly.

[Jesse]

Awesome exhaust. Cant wait for mine to come in, hopefully next week. Good info thanks for the time to post. Seems like some people just have nothing better to do than cry on a forum these days, and look for the negative in everything. gets old quick.

[blu_]

Originally Posted by vividracing

You are trying to hard to prove something. That clearly is pointing some direction. I have not seen you ask other vendors these same questions. Hidden Agenda Much?
Every shop took Subaru parts and looked at this car. You have to start some place. But I am sure you know how to fab up stuff right? If you knew anything you would know that none of that stuff fits. Hell a lot of vendors here sell the rear suspension bits off wrx. Don't see you calling them out. Also I said it and one more time. These are NOT made overseas. These are being made in house in Arizona. So the whole overseas point is dead.
You assume way to much. I have brought FACT to this thread. You have only added assumptions and second hand info at best. Over and Over again. Time for the Troll to move on.

It's not his fault that your website clearly states that they are being made overseas. TBH I don't even care if they are being made in some SE Asian country. I would perfer buying something local, but its not the end all be all part of choosing which exhaust I put on my car. Its more you attitude of evading questions unless you are so called out about lying/"making mistakes" that drives some of us crazy.

You can say that all of the people in this thread and the old ones who have been critical of you are "trolls", but you can't deny that WE caused you to redo your 40whp exhaust gain claims to something more reasonable. Sure you can say it "was a mistake", but how does us calling you out on these "mistakes" make us subject to personal attacks?

I am not someone who is trying to offend for the sake of offending, like some here are making me out to be. I just want to make sure this community isn't being blatantly ripped off by a tuning company.

People who say "the haters" are some losers living in their moms basement are totally off base. Most of the critical people I have seen here are actually OLDER members who have been around the block and can spot BS from tuning companies when we see it. We are just trying to get accurate info on the products being marketed to this community.

[epson1]

I feel like I'm back on Nasioc... people are over analyzing everything, including what a dyno is and do forth. What I do know is the gains versus stock, and that's all I'm interested in.

[clayrush]

Originally Posted by Panman

Please let it be true.

Personally all you've done for me is make me more interested in the AP exhaust - primarily because you've been such a hater all the way through.

same with me.
But to tell you the truth, both sides seem like they are trying to get their point accost by arguing with a brick wall.
And if people are still not happy or trust them, I will provide a dyno with one part being added at a time and takeda intake to complete it off. (without a pulley) I just cant order the system till August

[Unleashed]

If you are that worried about the validity of the information presented then DON'T BUY THIS EXHAUST!!!!! IT'S THAT SIMPLE!!! ALL THE PEOPLE THAT ARE INTERESTED IN BUYING DON'T SEEM TO HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT. THEY DON'T NEED A "VOICE OF THE PEOPLE" TYPE FIGURE SPEAKING FOR THEM.

[blu_]

Originally Posted by Unleashed

If you are that worried about the validity of the information presented then DON'T BUY THIS EXHAUST!!!!! IT'S THAT SIMPLE!!! ALL THE PEOPLE THAT ARE INTERESTED IN BUYING DON'T SEEM TO HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT. THEY DON'T NEED A "VOICE OF THE PEOPLE" TYPE FIGURE SPEAKING FOR THEM.

That is fine, but I still have the right to ask legitimate questions to a company, without being labeled as a bully. More power to the people who don't want to listen to me. It's their right as a consumer.

How bout this though. If you don't care about the validity of their claims, just buy the exhaust and don't post in this thread where people are legitimately questioning them? It works both ways.

[Lonewolf]

Originally Posted by Calum

Dim, I've had these guys on and off my ignor list now, but it's like watching a reality tv show. Most of you wants to turn the channel, but there's some small part waiting for the next coughliecough I mean mistake.

How could anyone forget putting a clutch in a car within a week of doing it?

Different people in a big shop constantly taking parts on and off the car could have something to do with it

I'm not saying that's the reason, but it could explain some of the issues....

[ichitaka05]

Oh wow~ after coming back from nice soccer w my friends & I saw this... Oh boy, oh boy!

Guys, seriously... we're all mature here (so I hope), we're not here to argue. We're here to have a constructive debate.

Vividracing - Chill, you don't need to attack them back. Simply answer w simple wording even ENGRISH speaking guy like me can follow. Don't need to call them anything. If they don't believe you, it's not your problem anymore.

Other members - Chill, have a constructive debate, comments & ask question without harsh tone. Of course, if you write w harsh tone, you gonna get harsh answer back.

& stop w previous thread this & that. Vividracing said, he forgot about lightweight flywheel in there & made some mistakes & he corrected that mistake by redo the dynos again. IF he was here to just for a $, there weren't any reason for him to redo his dyno. Hell, he just needed to BS through with it & sell few parts & gone to next forum.

Please, don't need anymore work than I already have.

[E92M3Guy]

I added the following entries to the BRZ/FRS Dyno Database:

174Whp 137Wtq
http://www.ft86dynos.com/showDyno.php?recID=511

186Whp 144Wtq
http://www.ft86dynos.com/showDyno.php?recID=512

200Whp 154Wtq
http://www.ft86dynos.com/showDyno.php?recID=513

[_hollywood]

Originally Posted by blu_

That is fine, but I still have the right to ask legitimate questions to a company, without being labeled as a bully. More power to the people who don't want to listen to me. It's their right as a consumer.

How bout this though. If you don't care about the validity of their claims, just buy the exhaust and don't post in this thread where people are legitimately questioning them? It works both ways.

Do you own an frs or brz? What color and transmission? After you answer that maybe ill listen to your 2cents......

This would be a "call out"

[Symbiont]

I apologize if someone asked this already, but I am very curious how this FR-S made 174hp, stock, on a Mustang, when other stock cars were making 155-160ish. Felt very strange to me.