Tossing between GT vs GTS

[Panman]

Originally Posted by MZ21

A quick glance on the trd website would shown the front pads are identical between the gt and the gts.

http://www.trdparts.jp/english/86_pe...ine/price.html

QFT - Fact checking FTW.

[MZ21]

Originally Posted by Panman

QFT - Fact checking FTW.

Since I'm beginning a major build on the car I actually looked this stuff first before buying the thing.

Currently tossing up going for a d2 8/4 spot setup, Brembo STi 4/2 or a custom Alcon 6/4 spot upgrade for the braking department. So the pissy little brakes on the gts weren't a deciding factor

[m0nty]

Originally Posted by MZ21

A quick glance on the trd website would shown the front pads are identical between the gt and the gts.

http://www.trdparts.jp/english/86_pe...ine/price.html

Japanese G and GT models have the same brakes. Australian GT is equivalent of G without the larger brakes. 450bhp/tonne is correct.

[Captain Snooze]

Originally Posted by Nezz

Just upgrade the rear discs at the same time-- the calipers are the same apparently. Also Wilwood and others will be coming out with upgrade sets.

These are 3 pdfs I received from Toyota Belconnen regarding parts to upgrade GT brakes to GTS spec. The total price was going to be something like $10k not including labour. I appreciate not all of these parts were necessary but still...

(BRZ ftw)

[Nezz]

Originally Posted by Captain Snooze

These are 3 pdfs I received from Toyota Belconnen regarding parts to upgrade GT brakes to GTS spec. The total price was going to be something like $10k not including labour. I appreciate not all of these parts were necessary but still...

Right. I still reserve my doubts but I'm going to keep looking...

EDIT; Okay, reread that set of PDFs. Because if upgrading the pedals and upgrading the headunit twice counts in the price then there's a problem. Also they've unnecessarily replaced the front brakes. And front pads. And lines.

[Nezz]

Originally Posted by m0nty

Japanese G and GT models have the same brakes. Australian GT is equivalent of G without the larger brakes. 450bhp/tonne is correct.

Australian GTS is equivalent of GT (not GT Limited, not that anything brake wise changes). Brakes on G and GT are identical, RC has lower-grade rear brakes only (front brakes are identical). Plenty of info in lots of magazines and brochures I have to support this... as far as I know, the only non-vented rear brakes are in the RC and local GT...

[Captain Snooze]

Originally Posted by MZ21

Since I'm beginning a major build on the car I actually looked this stuff first before buying the thing.

Currently tossing up going for a d2 8/4 spot setup, Brembo STi 4/2 or a custom Alcon 6/4 spot upgrade for the braking department. So the pissy little brakes on the gts weren't a deciding factor

Why do you want 8 or 6 pot calipers on a car that weighs around 1250 kgs? Smaller brakes = less unsprung weight

[Nezz]

Originally Posted by Captain Snooze

Why do you want 8 or 6 pot calipers on a car that weighs around 1250 kgs? Smaller brakes = less unsprung weight

This. The four-pot TRDs are about as far as I'd go and I'd be more inclined to go for a Brembo touring upgrade if they make one.

[MZ21]

Originally Posted by Captain Snooze

Why do you want 8 or 6 pot calipers on a car that weighs around 1250 kgs? Smaller brakes = less unsprung weight

Track work. Car will be hitting up eastern creek and wakefield soon.

[Nezz]

Originally Posted by MZ21

Track work. Car will be hitting up eastern creek and wakefield soon.

Hm. I'm not sure if you'd get appreciable fade with a four-pot setup on a car this light but that's still very good reasoning. Also just went back over some stuff-- G (think local GT) spec has the same unventilated rear brake discs as RC (the stripper grade), GT and GT Limited (GTS) have the vented rear brakes. G (Local GT) is faster around Tsukuba.

And discs and pads are the only part difference I can find. Calipers maybe, nobody's too specific. Time to find a Japanese parts guide? I think so!

... EDIT; WAIT A DAMN MINUTE. Are you Toymods MZ21?

[Captain Snooze]

Originally Posted by MZ21

Track work. Car will be hitting up eastern creek and wakefield soon.

So I am hypothesizing that you have not had it on track as yet so brake performance on track is still an unknown quantity. If fade is an issue wouldn't upgrading the pads and fluid be the first step? I am guessing that larger diameter (2 piece) rotors + 4 pot calipers would be as far as you would need to go.

[MZ21]

Originally Posted by Captain Snooze

Sure but have you already upgraded the pads and fluid? I am guessing that larger diameter (2 piece) rotors + 4 pot calipers would be are as far as you would need to go. Is fade already an issue?

I know with my STi I cooked the brembos (1460kg car) with 6 hard laps at Oran park. That was with motul fluid, brembo slotted rotors and ceramic pads. This time i will do it right. Car will be getting a custom turbo kit next so will carrying more speed therefore will require a bit more stopping than just upgrading pads and fluid.

At the end the day the Sti brembo will probably be the best and easiest pick. Should be able to get that done under 3k.

[Nezz]

Originally Posted by MZ21

I know with my STi I cooked the brembos (1460kg car) with 6 hard laps at Oran park. That was with motul fluid, brembo slotted rotors and ceramic pads. This time i will do it right. Car will be getting a custom turbo kit next so will carrying more speed therefore will require a bit more stopping than just upgrading pads and fluid.

At the end the day the Sti brembo will probably be the best and easiest pick. Should be able to get that done under 3k.

Well yeah, more go means more stop. That makes a lot of sense. For standard power the 4-pots should be fine but-- yeah, more go, more stop.

[MZ21]

Originally Posted by Nezz

Hm. I'm not sure if you'd get appreciable fade with a four-pot setup on a car this light but that's still very good reasoning. Also just went back over some stuff-- G (think local GT) spec has the same unventilated rear brake discs as RC (the stripper grade), GT and GT Limited (GTS) have the vented rear brakes. G (Local GT) is faster around Tsukuba.

And discs and pads are the only part difference I can find. Calipers maybe, nobody's too specific. Time to find a Japanese parts guide? I think so!

... EDIT; WAIT A DAMN MINUTE. Are you Toymods MZ21?

You never have enough brakes at a track. I think I had some pics somewhere with bright glowing fronts in my subie.

Toymods yep, haven't posted there in a long time. I think my membership no was 29 or 30 so a long time ago.

I was actually in two minds about posting here as the demographic isn't quite what I'm used to I'm more into the PF style of forums.