Supra Inspired FRS- Tail light conversion

[Shynee]

Originally Posted by ichitaka05

Ouch! Well admin, you heard the boss, let's close down this forum. Let's see how that turns out... for 86/BRZ community. I can tell you one thing from past, a ton of members went bollistic when the forum went down for 2 days... Again ONLY FOR 2 DAYS. Permanently closing the forum, could be fun to see.

I don't remember seeing any other 86/BRZ forum that have more daily activity & resource than this forum. Even Toyota JP sponsored forum have a less than half of active members here and if you don't know Japanese SOL. Automotive forum always comes & goes on member activity. It's nothing to do w how properly moderated, it's a simply by trend of the car. Big wave of members signed up at '09 for FT-86 Concept aka MkI. After that, over an yr of dark age (no legit info), so many members fall away. OG like me & Zaku stayed... then FR-S Concept aka MkIII came and forum got hit w another big wave of members. After several month of no info, a lot member looked into other cars and faded. FR-S/BRZ was release and then BOOM! Another wave of members came in. Just a waves of trend.

If you guys wanna leave, go for it. I won't stop you. Make another 86/BRZ forum that's properly moderated. Facebook 86/BRZ is impossible to keep moderated or even keep compilation of 86/BRZ info. Just repetitive question over and over. Let's see how that turns out, cuz I am VERY interested to see 86/BRZ forum that's more active than this forum and so called "properly moderated".

This is the most popular forum because it comes up first and vastly outweighs other 86 forums on any search engine. Okay, so your SEO is good. This forum serves as a great source and index of information about the platform. This information can also be obtained from a variety of other sources.

That doesn't make you correct about the scale of the forum community being entirely dependent on the size of the car's community. 86 meets and events are strong as ever, but this forum does not attract new attention nor keep current attention.

Scaling a community properly has nothing to do with cars actually. Telling people to leave if they want to? I guess you really have no idea how much the actions and words of the community leaders impact the actual direction of the community. Even if you are just a moderator.

[VAcuban]

Although I'm over the idea of doing a tail light conversion, I do love the way this looks. Shaved the bottom half of the trunk and I think it looks amazing.

[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by Shynee

This is the most popular forum because it comes up first and vastly outweighs other 86 forums on any search engine. Okay, so your SEO is good.

That doesn't make you correct about the scale of the community being entirely dependent on the size of the car's community. 86 meets and events are strong as ever, but this forum does not attract new attention nor keep current attention.

Scaling a community properly has nothing to do with cars actually. Telling people to leave if they want to? I guess you really have no idea how much the actions and words of the community leaders impact the actual direction of the community. Even if you are just a moderator.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but 86/BRZ meets & events aren't strong as ever. Even the biggest 86/BRZ event in US, 86Fest are dying. They're trying their best to keep it live, but a lot of vendors have turned away 2yrs ago.

Let me ask you, what is new attention & current attention?

Never stated I'm a leader or even community leader. 99% of the time, I keep myself as a simple member and discuss reg 86/BRZ stuff. Only time I ride in high horse w hammer is when I need to be. Dont remember riding high horse 24/7.

[Shynee]

Originally Posted by ichitaka05

Sorry to burst your bubble, but 86/BRZ meets & events aren't strong as ever. Even the biggest 86/BRZ event in US, 86Fest are dying. They're trying their best to keep it live, but a lot of vendors have turned away 2yrs ago.

Let me ask you, what is new attention & current attention?

Never stated I'm a leader or even community leader. 99% of the time, I keep myself as a simple member and discuss reg 86/BRZ stuff. Only time I ride in high horse w hammer is when I need to be. Dont remember riding high horse 24/7.

You need to understand why people use your forum. Just like the event owners need to think about why people come to those events. The elite circle needs to stop assuming that everyone is as smart or rich as they are and take a more community-style approach like in Japan.

Some people want to spread knowledge. Some people want to use the forum as an index for information. Some people want to ask questions or discuss new ideas. Some people want to buy and sell car parts. Some people want to post news, or read news about the platform. Some people want to talk about random shit with their 86 buddies. These are all different reasons for coming to the forum. There are more.

The only reasons currently supported and encouraged by the forum structure are buying/selling items (poorly executed), posting/reading news (yet no news section), and posting guides/seeking information.

If you want to ask questions or discuss ideas, prepare to have your thread derailed by the elitist circle. There is no other outcome, sadly.

If you want to spread knowledge, post a guide! But who knows if it will ever get any attention, or if it's even a good guide by community standards in the first place?

If you want to talk random crap with 86 buddies? There is an off-topic forum but it has no structure whatsoever. And you cannot discuss religion or politics which are two of the most popular off-topic discussion topics?

If you want to buy and sell car parts? Too bad because the forum doesn't sustain enough activity to do so. Also please follow all of the crappy sale post rules because we still use threads in a forum to buy and sell items. How hard is it to create another page separate from the forum and have a link to it where the current sale stuff is now? How about having ads for vendors so they actually have a reason to give this site their attention, given that it has a declining user base?

By the way, are any of the community guides even double-checked by someone who knows what they are doing? Or could someone post a guide with a misstep that essentially tells people to break their car? (worst case scenario)

Idk man, I'm done derailing this guy's thread though. Good luck with Supra tail lights!

[chaoskaze]

errr.... i would be tempted for a 2jz swap if this is real LMAO

GJ op

[WRBrzRX]

Most of the body kits I see look much worse. Considering that OP was respectful and spent the time to detail his plan I'm not sure why we bit his head off.

If you really can fab it I'd watch it on youtube like the rest.

I also don't get the complaints about the forum. It honestly seems like a certain individual not in this thread has everyone pissed off lately.

[olsonpg]

The smugness of the elitest group on this forum is the reason I don't hop on like I used too.

Regardless, its an A+ forum with A+ members.

[olsonpg]

If someone created a conversion rear bumper and trunk with tails similar to that. I would probably get it.

Never been a fan of the tail light shape and sizing of this car.

Those tails really complete the rear end look of a wide body berz, I respect your creativity.

[mav1178]

My last post in this thread, because you seem to take what I'm saying out of context...

Originally Posted by VAcuban

Dude. I'm just trying to get a 2JZ in the platform I like. I'm not out there trying to win competitions or break records or build an insane amount of hp. Though I would love to own a Supra, it's just outside my budget. The frs 2jz swap is cheaper, lighter, and newer.

"I've dealt with probably somewhere in the neighborhood of 300-500 different types of cars set up this way."

But I take it you've never driven a Supra before. The powerband comes on violently, but only at higher RPMS. A 600 hp Supra is very streetable because of the inherent characteristics of its power plant, but I'm not even shooting for something that high. 450 would be my max and that's down the road...

Yes I've driven a Supra before. A Skyline too. My current car probably feels like a Supra but with like 600lbs more weight and one more forward gear (depending on what year Supra you are talking about).

I made my comment about Supra light conversions because you said, and I quote: "What do yall think of my concept?"

If you didn't want opinions, don't ask for opinions... that is all. I think Supra light conversions are stupid, the car show scene of the mid 1990s into now were stupid, it's still stupid to this day. So, my opinion of a taillight swap is that it's just stupid.

You, the OP, were the one who subsequently brought up the (non-original) idea of doing a 2JZ swap into a ZN6/ZC6 chassis. Before you get too far ahead of yourself here, the 240SX had about a 20-year head start on you with regards to swapping in inline-6 engines and making "massive amounts of power for cheap"

Guess what? Every single RB build I've sold parts for, worked on, helped build, or otherwise consulted with/for ended up spending at least $15-20k in parts alone to make everything work well. Keep in mind that this is in an old chassis with an abundance of turbo-related parts readily available, not what we have for the current platform.

How would you, as you suggest, just bolt on some massive radiator, big intercooler, etc and make it fit into the nose of the car properly? Does the car currently have enough space for these things?

As for the whole power to weight ratio, it's great that the swap can give you a great power to weight ratio. Of the cars you listed with great power to weight ratio, I would probably be interested in driving these:

Honda S2000 11.9 lbs/hp
Toyota 86/FRS 13.8 lbs/hp
Mazda Miata 15 lbs/hp
Nissan 240SX 18.1 lbs/hp
Nissan S15 Silvia w/ stock 250HP SR20DET 11 lbs/hp

But honestly, as far as a driver's car is concerned, most of the cars you listed just plain suck at driving dynamics compared to the above 5 cars (assuming in well-maintained condition, most of the 240SX out there are junks waiting to be refurbished).

But good luck with your project build. I personally hated the Supra taillights, I thought both Nissan and Toyota and even Mazda were all trying too hard with their "4 round taillight" configurations from the 1990s, all seemingly copying Corvette's design.

-alex

(All of my questions in this post are rhetorical in nature, not requiring an actual response.)

[VAcuban]

Originally Posted by Poodles

What do you think you're getting when you buy a used engine?

If you do your research, you can find warehouses that house low mileage JDM engines (due to strict emissions in Japan).

Originally Posted by Poodles

You're getting garbage that sat out somewhere exposed to the elements with no record of what happened to it while it was in it's donor car. At best you have a rusty 20 year old engine, at worst you have a boat anchor.

See, a noob would play Russian roulette when purchasing an engine instead of looking around for a warehouse that idk, stores engines indoors pulled from Japanese cars because their government has strict emissions laws. I bet you'd buy it sight unseen without even doing a compression test on the cylinders too.

Originally Posted by Poodles

Hell, the V160 goes for $5k alone.

So what part of when I said I can find a 2JZ-GTE/Getrag combo for ~$10-13K with shipping don't you get? They're all over the place. Osaka JDM Motors in Canada for example.

Originally Posted by Poodles

You're likely looking at a full rebuild of the engine and turbos, significantly raising the cost of the build.

lol as opposed to buying a beat up Supra with tons of mods already on it after years of wear and tear? I'll take my chances with a JDM motor that has low mileage from an Aristo or something along those lines.

Originally Posted by Poodles

Not to mention the weight difference here. The 2J setup is 100lbs heavier and will sit farther forward, and that's JUST the engine/trans and not the intercooler and piping. You'd be better off boosting the FA20 weight wise if your goal is so low for the motor.

You make a solid case for a functional big wing in the back. Problem solved.

Originally Posted by Poodles

Of course you could also just get an IS300, SC300, or GS300 for super cheap and in the case of the SC300

Originally Posted by Poodles

have the entire suspension setup of a Supra as well.

Yes, because what we ALL are dying to have is the Supra's notoriously awesome suspension setup. I can't roll my eyes any harder.

Originally Posted by Poodles

Your money, but I've seen enough dead engine swaps in my days (especially when it comes to Supras) to want to see another one.

Yep, my money. Thanks for the bickering. Didn't see any help in there, just a bunch of petty cynicism.

[VAcuban]

Btw, any significance for your username "MAV"? I'm curious because those are my initials.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by VAcuban

For future reference, no one wants accountant advice on how to spend their money. I appreciate your concerns, but leave the accounting to the person who knows how much they can spend. You're not paying my bills so don't worry about it.

Second, I've already researched pricing including shipping details, and you were way off. Excuse me for not letting your misinformation go unchallenged. Not my style.

Third, if you want to raise concerns, don't bother me with irrelevant bullshit like what I'm going to do for suspension. If you actually want to be helpful, why haven't you mentioned the fuel return re-routing issue from an FT86 platform to a 2JZ power plant? Or mention that that transmission tunnel needs to be slightly modified to fit either R154/V160 trannys? These are actual hurdles I'll need to worry about, not if my axles will be fine after swapping in a 325 hp crank engine. I'll gladly accept help and suggestions.. just do it without the attitude and we're golden.

I didn't mention those things since you obviously accounted for all them in your $500 incidentals costs.
You will change the complete dynamics and weight distribution of the car. Suspension is not something you can simply leave for later and is certainly not "irrelevant bullshit". You need to consider the whole package NOW before the projects not when you come to it. How is this basic concept unknown to you?
I had no attitude until you started in.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Shynee

You need to understand why people use your forum. Just like the event owners need to think about why people come to those events. The elite circle needs to stop assuming that everyone is as smart or rich as they are and take a more community-style approach like in Japan.

Some people want to spread knowledge. Some people want to use the forum as an index for information. Some people want to ask questions or discuss new ideas. Some people want to buy and sell car parts. Some people want to post news, or read news about the platform. Some people want to talk about random shit with their 86 buddies. These are all different reasons for coming to the forum. There are more.

The only reasons currently supported and encouraged by the forum structure are buying/selling items (poorly executed), posting/reading news (yet no news section), and posting guides/seeking information.

If you want to ask questions or discuss ideas, prepare to have your thread derailed by the elitist circle. There is no other outcome, sadly.

If you want to spread knowledge, post a guide! But who knows if it will ever get any attention, or if it's even a good guide by community standards in the first place?

If you want to talk random crap with 86 buddies? There is an off-topic forum but it has no structure whatsoever. And you cannot discuss religion or politics which are two of the most popular off-topic discussion topics?

If you want to buy and sell car parts? Too bad because the forum doesn't sustain enough activity to do so. Also please follow all of the crappy sale post rules because we still use threads in a forum to buy and sell items. How hard is it to create another page separate from the forum and have a link to it where the current sale stuff is now? How about having ads for vendors so they actually have a reason to give this site their attention, given that it has a declining user base?

By the way, are any of the community guides even double-checked by someone who knows what they are doing? Or could someone post a guide with a misstep that essentially tells people to break their car? (worst case scenario)

Idk man, I'm done derailing this guy's thread though. Good luck with Supra tail lights!

No moderation? Seems they were right on point: http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showt...=111895&page=2

If you come here just looking for things that support what you already think and don't want to hear anything else then you will indeed be disappointed.

Please show me some hard numbers to support your claims of a declining user base.

[Tcoat]

Nice to have all the June award winners gathered in one spot.
I hereby present the award: