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Old 12-29-2019, 08:08 PM   #8835
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Yes! @sroby and I have the same leak. We both spoke to Jon Bond Performance (person who rebuilds our SC's) and he said it's common with the early models. Sprintex put bearings with seals on them, apparently.

I will send out my elbow to JBP for him to bore and install new seals soon.
Good deal. He will fix it like it should have come from sprintex. I went back N/A and sold my unit. The gentleman I sold mine to shouldn’t have any issues what’s so ever with my unit.
The frustrating part is these mods are still not in play on any of the current sprintex platforms. Including the Jeep units. Jon tried working with Sprintex and it fell on deaf ears. He has bought out all remaining parts that were out in the field. My suspicion is he will probably start making these replacement parts as needed. I believe he is the only person in the world that has actually seems to care about Sprintex customer base even over the own damn corporation. They had a lot of good people leave. There customer service here in the states is about as good as HKS US customer service which blows. Thank goodness for Jon Bond. He will keep these units alive for a good while.
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Old 12-29-2019, 10:54 PM   #8836
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What pulley and gas you on?
I also have several other minor supporting mods that contribute. But i listed the main ones.
SC pulley Ø75mm in my SC 210 kit. gas i run the 98#. I'm not sure the difference between 98# and E85. But it is the highest calss in Beijing.
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Yes! @sroby and I have the same leak. We both spoke to Jon Bond Performance (person who rebuilds our SC's) and he said it's common with the early models. Sprintex put bearings with seals on them, apparently.

I will send out my elbow to JBP for him to bore and install new seals soon.
Thank you. I thought that gear oil leak.. Now ill take look at elbow part.
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Good deal. He will fix it like it should have come from sprintex. I went back N/A and sold my unit. The gentleman I sold mine to shouldn’t have any issues what’s so ever with my unit.
The frustrating part is these mods are still not in play on any of the current sprintex platforms. Including the Jeep units. Jon tried working with Sprintex and it fell on deaf ears. He has bought out all remaining parts that were out in the field. My suspicion is he will probably start making these replacement parts as needed. I believe he is the only person in the world that has actually seems to care about Sprintex customer base even over the own damn corporation. They had a lot of good people leave. There customer service here in the states is about as good as HKS US customer service which blows. Thank goodness for Jon Bond. He will keep these units alive for a good while.
Yeah, a lot of players around me use HKS, so there's a lot of repair and research with HKS kit. but the "Twin screw" did not. I really like this "Twin screw" kit even though there is no local technical support. So I did my best to study it myself. Thank you for this forum and all of you.
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SC pulley Ø75mm in my SC 210 kit. gas i run the 98#. I'm not sure the difference between 98# and E85. But it is the highest calss in Beijing.
Thats most likely 98ron which is about 94octane usa which is good for pump gas.
E85 is equivalent to 108octane usa or roughly 113ron. It allows for a lot more timing and thus more power.
75mm pulley makes about 9psi if i recall correctly. Im making about 12.5-13psi with 69mm pulley. And with wmi my octane is equivalent to roughly 98octane usa or about 103ron.
Do you have header and no cats? You should still be-able to get 0-60 down to 5.6-5.9 range on 75mm+94octane.
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Thats most likely 98ron which is about 94octane usa which is good for pump gas.
E85 is equivalent to 108octane usa or roughly 113ron. It allows for a lot more timing and thus more power.
75mm pulley makes about 9psi if i recall correctly. Im making about 12.5-13psi with 69mm pulley. And with wmi my octane is equivalent to roughly 98octane usa or about 103ron.
Do you have header and no cats? You should still be-able to get 0-60 down to 5.6-5.9 range on 75mm+94octane.
Yes. Its about 0.7bar (10psi) with my manifold pressure gauge.
My ECU was turned by an "engineer". on the basis of the stock ECU. I'm not sure what you mean by "header and CAT". I guess it's about the ECU turning? Because there is no SC dealer here and my car is 6 years old I told the "engineer" to be conservative. I just wanted to give the stock engine(FA20 NA) a few lift originally.
By the way, This SC kits in Japan, Is called CUSCO SC. They probably got the agency and put up a logo to sell it. Finally I found this forum so that I could learn more.
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Yes. Its about 0.7bar (10psi) with my manifold pressure gauge.
My ECU was turned by an "engineer". on the basis of the stock ECU. I'm not sure what you mean by "header and CAT". I guess it's about the ECU turning? Because there is no SC dealer here and my car is 6 years old I told the "engineer" to be conservative. I just wanted to give the stock engine(FA20 NA) a few lift originally.
By the way, This SC kits in Japan, Is called CUSCO SC. They probably got the agency and put up a logo to sell it. Finally I found this forum so that I could learn more.
header also known as exhaust manifold, cat also known as catalytic converter,
Have you changed any of the exhaust components?
A good header and/or removing the cats really helps a lot with this kit (or any kit)
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header also known as exhaust manifold, cat also known as catalytic converter,

Have you changed any of the exhaust components?

A good header and/or removing the cats really helps a lot with this kit (or any kit)
Be aware you will need to be retuned. Due to the tq curve this supercharger makes I would get a nice EL header to give you some more top end. Keep the FP stock and change the OP to an aftermarket if you want.

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header also known as exhaust manifold, cat also known as catalytic converter,
Have you changed any of the exhaust components?
A good header and/or removing the cats really helps a lot with this kit (or any kit)
I got it. I used ASPEC header and HKS catalytic converter 200 first section of the exhaust before. But last year my neighbor thought my car was too noisy and I switched back to the factory both header and cat. Only the 63mm middle and tail of the exhaust with electronic valvenow. It does limit a lot of "power". And maybe the manual will be faster than the automatic. About 1 sec of transmission loss?
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Be aware you will need to be retuned. Due to the tq curve this supercharger makes I would get a nice EL header to give you some more top end. Keep the FP stock and change the OP to an aftermarket if you want.

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Which is better between EL and UEL. I sold my EL ASPEC last year.
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Typically UEL gives you the subie rumble and removes the TQ dip on NA cars. These are typically louder than EL. EL headers are normally better at the top end for track use. But 4-2-1 desgins by both JDL and ACE give you the best of both worlds. More top in power and more power under the curve compared to UELs. But EL's can really sound like shit with the wrong exhaust combinations.

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Typically UEL gives you the subie rumble and removes the TQ on NA cars. These are typically louder than EL. EL headers are normally better at the top end for track use. But 4-2-1 desgins by both JDL and ACE give you the best of both worlds. More top in power and more power under the curve compared to UELs. But EL's can really sound like shit with the wrong exhaust combinations.

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Haha. Lot of palyers think that UEL sounds good. But I might think a little bit more about performance. ACE EL sounds good.
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I got it. I used ASPEC header and HKS catalytic converter 200 first section of the exhaust before. But last year my neighbor thought my car was too noisy and I switched back to the factory both header and cat. Only the 63mm middle and tail of the exhaust with electronic valvenow. It does limit a lot of "power". And maybe the manual will be faster than the automatic. About 1 sec of transmission loss?
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I have full headerback with no cats and its not that loud even cold starts. Not much different then stock. Can tune out the loud cold starts. Just depends on what components you choose and the tune.

I am auto trans btw.
Stock MT is 1second faster 0-60 vs auto, 90% because MT can launch at much higher RPM. But both taking off from idle at same rpm MT is only .1sec faster.
But once you are FI and become traction limited that launching benefit becomes less and less beneficial unless your on slicks on a prept track. Otherwise you just sit in place spinning.

I do plan on building my trans, valve body, clutch packs, and torque converter, i could then launch at 3k rpm but again traction is already a problem.
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So the measurement of our IAT’s aren’t accurate because of the design of our kit, right? Just wondering because my readings are sometimes 40° f higher than the ambient temperature and sometimes 10° f higher, both from light driving.
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