Delicious Tuning - Q&A EcuTeK ProECU Tuning and Maps

[DeliciousTuning]

Originally Posted by texasbound972

Power blocks with e85?

Well here is our review on the power blocks on our test vehicle. The test vehicle we used consisted of a vehicle with the following parts.

Airaid Cold Air Intake
PPE Equal Length Headers
Catback Exhaust
Delicious FlexFuel Kit (E85 mix)
Crawford Powerblocks

When we added the powerblocks we found that the mid range power from about 4500-6000 RPM's picked up about 2-6 horsepower but fell off after that. So we figured we could work out the cams on the top end above 6K to at least maintain the power.

Well after a full day of trying everything we could think of, timing, fueling, exhaust cams, intake cams and a million other configurations nothing worked. What we found is even though you can make more in the midrange it just falls off after 6K.

Though we made a good peak number we thought we should retest the exact setup with the powerblocks off. Low and behold we lost power in the mid range from 4500-6200 RPM but we picked up more power from 6400 to 7800 RPM's which is what we needed on the car we were tuning.

Though the peak numbers were higher on the non-powerblock kit over stock, we did not find them to be beneficial above 6400 RPM's. For a daily driver they seem like a great add on but for racing this was not for us, as we gave up too much ground for small gains at lower RPM's.

Cheers,
William Knose
Delicious Tuning

[Ethan]

Happiness is innovate SC + 69mm pulley + flex fuel + Delicious tune. Thanks Bill. Car runs like a dream. Super smooth. Very happy customer.

[diodelphi]

Originally Posted by DeliciousTuning

Well here is our review on the power blocks on our test vehicle. The test vehicle we used consisted of a vehicle with the following parts.

Airaid Cold Air Intake
PPE Equal Length Headers
Catback Exhaust
Delicious FlexFuel Kit (E85 mix)
Crawford Powerblocks

When we added the powerblocks we found that the mid range power from about 4500-6000 RPM's picked up about 2-6 horsepower but fell off after that. So we figured we could work out the cams on the top end above 6K to at least maintain the power.

Well after a full day of trying everything we could think of, timing, fueling, exhaust cams, intake cams and a million other configurations nothing worked. What we found is even though you can make more in the midrange it just falls off after 6K.

Though we made a good peak number we thought we should retest the exact setup with the powerblocks off. Low and behold we lost power in the mid range from 4500-6200 RPM but we picked up more power from 6400 to 7800 RPM's which is what we needed on the car we were tuning.

Though the peak numbers were higher on the non-powerblock kit over stock, we did not find them to be beneficial above 6400 RPM's. For a daily driver they seem like a great add on but for racing this was not for us, as we gave up too much ground for small gains at lower RPM's.

Cheers,
William Knose
Delicious Tuning

Dear William
is power difference above 3hp between UEL and EL for JDL?

Thanks

[DeliciousTuning]

Originally Posted by diodelphi

Dear William
is power difference above 3hp between UEL and EL for JDL?

Thanks

Quite honestly,


The powerband between the two is completely different. The JDL UEL header will completely eliminate the dip, but won't perform as well on the top end as the JDL EL header. The JDL EL will similarly outperform on the top end, but underperform compared to the UEL in the dip area. It's all personal preference.


Sincerely,


Delicious Tuning

[texasbound972]

Wait, there's a dip?? Lmao!

[DeliciousTuning]

Originally Posted by texasbound972

Wait, there's a dip?? Lmao!

Not for you! This only applies for NA vehicles.


Sincerely,


Delicious Tuning

[Shneegle]

Originally Posted by sales@delicioustuning.com

The powerband between the two is completely different. The JDL UEL header will completely eliminate the dip, but won't perform as well on the top end as the JDL EL header. The JDL EL will similarly outperform on the top end, but underperform compared to the UEL in the dip area. It's all personal preference.

Are yall gonna post graphs of all the different headers and tunes for comparison? It would be nice to see the difference. Also waiting on the Nameless Header tune results.

[DeliciousTuning]

Originally Posted by Shneegle

Are yall gonna post graphs of all the different headers and tunes for comparison? It would be nice to see the difference. Also waiting on the Nameless Header tune results.

We will eventually get them up, however getting our Flexfuel kits ready and the Flash N Go tunes fixed for cold weather is a higher priority at the moment. As for the Nameless header, we'd love to develop a specific tune, but it's a rare unicorn and we haven't gotten a hold of one in person quite yet.


Sincerely,



Delicious Tuning

[Efferalgan]

Originally Posted by DeliciousTuning

Will try to get to this all later this week. Catching up.

Cheers,
William Knose
Delicious Tuning

William,

It's definetely an intake air temprature-related problem. Today I checked carefully all connections and even additionaly secured all the tubes so that they don't move while car is in motion and tried to have a test ride. Start up and idle in a warm garage were perfect. I revved to 7000 several times once the engine warmed up - no problem and then I headed to the garage gates...

The air temperature outside was even lower than during my previous attempt when I noticed the problem for the first time - it was minus 11 degrees Celcius (about 12 Fahrenheit). The car started to act like it is slowly dying almost immideately. In 30 seconds when I tried to rev the engine - the engine did not want to go above 3000rpm. In another 30 secs the car stopped reacting to accelerator pedal completely, was just rolling at 1-1.5k rpms. I barely managed to return back to the garage at idle rpms and just before I entered the gates the rpms started to drop below usual 900-1000 idle and I felt that in another 15 secs the engine would stall. Once I entered the garage (about 55 Fahrenheit) the car returned to life almost instantly. The entire excercise took less than 3-4 minutes.

So, looks like my tune might be OK for sunny California but doesn't work for climates with freezing temperatures I guess you will see why it is happening from the logs that I sent you. Can the tune be adjusted for a wider intake temperature range or I need a different solution? Many thanks in advance for your attention to this matter!

[Shneegle]

Originally Posted by DeliciousTuning

Here is the list we have going so far we are going to be developing tunes for
- JDL Equal and Unequal Length
- Tomei Equal and Unequal Length
- Nameless Header
- PPE Equal Length Header

Originally Posted by sales@delicioustuning.com

We will eventually get them up, however getting our Flexfuel kits ready and the Flash N Go tunes fixed for cold weather is a higher priority at the moment. As for the Nameless header, we'd love to develop a specific tune, but it's a rare unicorn and we haven't gotten a hold of one in person quite yet.

The Nameless header was listed as one of the several that were going to be developed. Ill be disappointed if it is not, might mean I need to drive over to cali and have yall work on it.

I can see the other 2 above as more important. The Flexfuel kit is something Ill be adding, hopefully a nice boost for AutoX.

[DeliciousTuning]

Originally Posted by Shneegle

The Nameless header was listed as one of the several that were going to be developed. Ill be disappointed if it is not, might mean I need to drive over to cali and have yall work on it.

I can see the other 2 above as more important. The Flexfuel kit is something Ill be adding, hopefully a nice boost for AutoX.

As stated it is on the list to be developed, however, it is difficult to get a hold of, and we also don't want to chunk out the cash merely to test it out as neither of us would be keeping it for our vehicles. Feel free to ship us yours and we'll play around with it!


Sincerely,


Delicious Tuning

[DeliciousTuning]

Originally Posted by Efferalgan

William,

It's definetely an intake air temprature-related problem. Today I checked carefully all connections and even additionaly secured all the tubes so that they don't move while car is in motion and tried to have a test ride. Start up and idle in a warm garage were perfect. I revved to 7000 several times once the engine warmed up - no problem and then I headed to the garage gates...

The air temperature outside was even lower than during my previous attempt when I noticed the problem for the first time - it was minus 11 degrees Celcius (about 12 Fahrenheit). The car started to act like it is slowly dying almost immideately. In 30 seconds when I tried to rev the engine - the engine did not want to go above 3000rpm. In another 30 secs the car stopped reacting to accelerator pedal completely, was just rolling at 1-1.5k rpms. I barely managed to return back to the garage at idle rpms and just before I entered the gates the rpms started to drop below usual 900-1000 idle and I felt that in another 15 secs the engine would stall. Once I entered the garage (about 55 Fahrenheit) the car returned to life almost instantly. The entire excercise took less than 3-4 minutes.

So, looks like my tune might be OK for sunny California but doesn't work for climates with freezing temperatures I guess you will see why it is happening from the logs that I sent you. Can the tune be adjusted for a wider intake temperature range or I need a different solution? Many thanks in advance for your attention to this matter!

You are correct it is intake temperature related.

We performed some testing yesterday and forced the intake temp to read below 0 Celsius ("-1") and found that the Engine Load value would get all wonky causing the car to run very poorly as people have noted. When setting the temperature to "0" it will run perfectly, so this is definitely something in the EcuTeK RaceROM Patch specifically with Speed Density VE tables.

So as we are speaking to EcuTeK about this for the proper correction to this we have a work around for the time being that allows everything to work properly. So for those of you have these problems, please email me and we will get the temporary fix out.

Cheers,
William Knose
Delicious Tuning

[vignesh]

I previously had stage 2 tune and e85 tune from fa20club. Recently i switched to Delicious tuning stage 2 tune. Lets just say the 91 octane tune is faster than the e85 from fa20. Huge difference really.
No comparison in terms of engine smoothness and torque. The car just PULLS so much harder. I still haven't tried the 94 octane tune.
Thanks a lot Delicious tuning.

[DeliciousTuning]

Originally Posted by vignesh

I previously had stage 2 tune and e85 tune from fa20club. Recently i switched to Delicious tuning stage 2 tune. Lets just say the 91 octane tune is faster than the e85 from fa20. Huge difference really.
No comparison in terms of engine smoothness and torque. The car just PULLS so much harder. I still haven't tried the 94 octane tune.
Thanks a lot Delicious tuning.

We're glad to hear you're happy with the tune! Smoothness in particular is something we pride ourselves on in our tunes.

Sincerely,


Delicious Tuning