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Old 04-25-2014, 11:04 AM   #869
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The 5x100 bearings were known for being weak on the WRX, but they are a good 6-700 lbs heavier than the brz. IIRC that is one of the reasons the STI went from a 5x100 to a 5x114.3 for MY 2005. I had a bearing go in my 2006 WRX at around 50k miles but that was after a good 60-70 autocrosses as well.

There are a lot of BRZ being tracked/autox'd around here and I haven't yet heard of a wheel bearing going.. sounds like something peculiar to orthojoe and his friend. Axles on the other hand seem like they will definitely fail.
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Old 04-25-2014, 11:07 AM   #870
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Would someone be so kind as to tell me what that webbing is for?
It's a net used in race cars for safety

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First question- Why are you using the OEM Prius tires to track on? No offense but if you are at the point where you've done 2 or 3 track days then you really need to be using some upgraded tires...
doborder is now on BFG rivals, but I'm gonna interject and say that you don't NEED to upgrade tires even if you do have good track experience. If you want to be faster, sure. If you're there to have fun, work on car control, and want to keep costs down, I don't see any reason why OEM tires are a bad idea. The CSG guys will attest to this: The OEM tire grip isn't as bad as everyone says it is. When the tires are heated up, they will hold 0.9-1.0G. Surprisingly, that is pretty much the same numbers I recorded on identically sized and warmed up MPSS tires.

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While the shop you are dealing with works on Porsche and Miatas, how many Subarus have they worked on?

As CSGMike said, take the alignment shop out of the equation since we've done literally 50+ alignments on BRZ/FRSs in the NY/NJ area notorious for pot holes etc and haven't had any issues with the alignments coming out of whack.
They don't just work on Miatas on Porsches, but I will entertain what you guys are getting at. However, before I can pursue this further, can you tell me what it is about the subaru and toyota suspension that makes the alignment procedure different than most other cars? If there is something special about aligning these cars, then you may have something. Otherwise, I'm going to have to trust that my guy knows what he is doing. This isn't some generic shop.
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Old 04-25-2014, 11:15 AM   #871
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Maybe your Whiteline camber bolts are slipping and causing toe to change as well. Changing camber will affect toe at the front. Not sure why the rear toe would change sine there's no stock rear camber adjustment.
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Would someone be so kind as to tell me what that webbing is for?

There's a net on the other side as well; it's so your arms don't go flying around in the case of an accident or roll.
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They don't just work on Miatas on Porsches, but I will entertain what you guys are getting at. However, before I can pursue this further, can you tell me what it is about the subaru and toyota suspension that makes the alignment procedure different than most other cars? If there is something special about aligning these cars, then you may have something. Otherwise, I'm going to have to trust that my guy knows what he is doing. This isn't some generic shop.
There's nothing peculiar about the BRZ/FRS, but the suspension is very distinctly Subaru.

You wouldn't expect GMG to be knowledgeable about WRXs, would you? Or Plattforme AG? Or SP Engineering?
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Hi Mike,

Here at our home track we're being beaten decent drivers in S2K's.

Since you drive one (and seem to know a few things about an FRS platform) could you outline some key areas where an S2K outperform's an FRS on track?

Obviously weight and revs come to mind first. However, if you feel there are some particular areas where an S2K can be exploited, we'd love to know.

GT-B (GT-B in Taiwan is a GT-3 car under 2.3L) S2K's are 5 sec faster then our 86auto. We gotta catch 'em! But where...and how?

From a stir-crazy defeated racer; thank you for any help
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Hi Mike,

Here at our home track we're being beaten decent drivers in S2K's.

Since you drive one (and seem to know a few things about an FRS platform) could you outline some key areas where an S2K outperform's an FRS on track?

Obviously weight and revs come to mind first. However, if you feel there are some particular areas where an S2K can be exploited, we'd love to know.

GT-B (GT-B in Taiwan is a GT-3 car under 2.3L) S2K's are 5 sec faster then our 86auto. We gotta catch 'em! But where...and how?

From a stir-crazy defeated racer; thank you for any help
More experienced drivers.

Get to Jaku's level of driving first, and then worry about the car. To put it in perspective, when he was in the states, Jaku ran a best of 2:00 at Buttonwillow 13CW. How many drivers on this board run that in a GT86?

The S2000 has SIGNIFICANTLY more power at the speeds your tracks see, and uses more tire. The GT86's advantages only show at higher speeds (80+).
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Oh yeah, we're also classed with Supercharged Lotus 3.5's for some reason. So if you have any dirt on them, that'd be great too.

They're 6sec faster then the 86. Just a bit quicker then the S2K's.

Here's a video I found of the track record holder in both an S2K and an Elise.

Start at 3min mark if you want.

Thanks again for any advise you (or any other bored member) have.

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There's nothing peculiar about the BRZ/FRS, but the suspension is very distinctly Subaru.

You wouldn't expect GMG to be knowledgeable about WRXs, would you? Or Plattforme AG? Or SP Engineering?
No, I wouldn't. However, those companys you mention build parts and components for vehicles. Sharkwerks specializes in Porsche installs and parts, but they don't do alignments. This is a race shop, that maintains race cars for professionals and amateurs. They don't sell parts. An oil change is an oil change. An alignment is an alignment. Does this distinct subaru suspension change in anyway how one would normally align a car?

fwiw, I totally understand everyone's skepticism.
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More experienced drivers.

Get to Jaku's level of driving first, and then worry about the car. To put it in perspective, when he was in the states, Jaku ran a best of 2:00 at Buttonwillow 13CW. How many drivers on this board run that in a GT86?

The S2000 has SIGNIFICANTLY more power at the speeds your tracks see, and uses more tire. The GT86's advantages only show at higher speeds (80+).
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Oh yeah, we're also classed with Supercharged Lotus 3.5's for some reason. So if you have any dirt on them, that'd be great too.

They're 6sec faster then the 86. Just a bit quicker then the S2K's.

Here's a video I found of the track record holder in both an S2K and an Elise.

Start at 3min mark if you want.

Thanks again for any advise you (or any other bored member) have.

The car is bouncing all over the place...
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