FR-S/BRZ vs. Genesis Coupe

[SUB-FT86]

Originally Posted by Dark

What did I say? I said they share one common thing, practicality. Did I say SC430 is the same as GC? GC interior is from econobox, Sc430 interior is pure luxury. SC430 is definitely not a GS coupe. If you say SC400, then yes.

Practicality? The FR-S is also as practical as both or better. The SC430 has never been praised for being sporty or even somewhat sporty. Reviews for that car always sounds like a Lexus GS review.

[Ryephile]

Originally Posted by zoomzoomers

Umm... I think I do. The true and traditional definition is a front engine, rear wheel drive roadster. Why in the world would anyone think that someone wouldn't know this??? Some secret dictionary???

That's an asinine definition. That means the Infiniti G37 'vert and Chevrolet SSR are sports cars, but the Boxster, MR-Spyder, Lotus Elise, and the classic Porsche 356 Spyder are not.

[Dark]

Originally Posted by SUB-FT86

Practicality? The FR-S is also as practical as both or better. The SC430 has never been praised for being sporty or even somewhat sporty. Reviews for that car always sounds like a Lexus GS review.

Back seat on FR-S is built for insurance purpose just like SC430, but FR-S is light, nimble, has lower CoG. Interior of FR-S is very basic. Remember that FR-S was built with enough room at the back to put 4 tires+wheels and other autoX/track gears? Like you said in FRS vs 335i thread, FR-S is not a good DD, it's a good track toy. And now you say it's practical.

[OrbitalEllipses]

Originally Posted by zoomzoomers

That's why I said "traditional" definition of a true sports car. Of course, things change, but when people refer to the definition of pure sports car today they still, for the most part, remain the same.

Sports car = RWD + Front engine + 2 door (roadster/coupe)

Don't think engine placement matters. This definition knocks out all RMR and RR layout cars.

[zoomzoomers]

Originally Posted by Ryephile

That's an asinine definition. That means the Infiniti G37 'vert and Chevrolet SSR are sports cars, but the Boxster, MR-Spyder, Lotus Elise, and the classic Porsche 356 Spyder are not.

Originally Posted by OrbitalEllipses

Don't think engine placement matters. This definition knocks out all RMR and RR layout cars.

From wikipedia:

A sports car (or sportscar or sport car) is a small, usually two seat, two door automobile designed for high speed driving and maneuverability.[1] Sports cars have been either spartan or luxurious, but good handling, minimum weight, and high performance are requisite.[2]

[SUB-FT86]

Originally Posted by Dark

Back seat on FR-S is built for insurance purpose just like SC430, but FR-S is light, nimble, has lower CoG. Interior of FR-S is very basic. Remember that FR-S was built with enough room at the back to put 4 tires+wheels and other autoX/track gears? Like you said in FRS vs 335i thread, FR-S is not a good DD, it's a good track toy. And now you say it's practical.

The GC backseat is only for people under 5''3'. It's not useable also and the GC can't haul 4 tires. The main reason in the other thread I said that was because of the engine in the 335i being much better for DD.

[SUB-FT86]

Originally Posted by zoomzoomers

From wikipedia:

A sports car (or sportscar or sport car) is a small, usually two seat, two door automobile designed for high speed driving and maneuverability.[1] Sports cars have been either spartan or luxurious, but good handling, minimum weight, and high performance are requisite.[2]

This is the real definition right here.

[OrbitalEllipses]

Originally Posted by zoomzoomers

From wikipedia:

A sports car (or sportscar or sport car) is a small, usually two seat, two door automobile designed for high speed driving and maneuverability.[1] Sports cars have been either spartan or luxurious, but good handling, minimum weight, and high performance are requisite.[2]

I can support that definition.

[zoomzoomers]

Pictures from that same page shown as examples:

[Dark]

Originally Posted by SUB-FT86

The GC backseat is only for people under 5''3'. It's not useable also and the GC can't haul 4 seats.

It depends on how short/tall the driver and front passenger are, but FR-S and SC430 back seat room is for midget. My friend little brother drives SC430, and he's 5'5". He can barely put a hot Asian girl who is 5'5" at the back. I suspect FR-S has a bit bigger rear seat room, but it's made to fit 4 tires/wheels + gears.

Even with unusable back seat, GC is just as practical as 335i. Or you think GC and SC430 are not as practical as 335i? My friends drive both 328i and 335, I have never been at the back because it's also made for midgets.

[Dark]

Originally Posted by zoomzoomers

From wikipedia:

A sports car (or sportscar or sport car) is a small, usually two seat, two door automobile designed for high speed driving and maneuverability.[1] Sports cars have been either spartan or luxurious, but good handling, minimum weight, and high performance are requisite.[2]

Not quite right. It's still an old definition. High powered cars from 20 year ago are 250hp-ish. High powered cars today are 500hp-ish. If the definition is implied to today world, anything under 500hp is not a sport car.

[ryun84]

500hp seems a bit arbitrary but I get your point. Also, I'd agree that it's hard to maintain that old definition especially with changing automobile safety and emission regulations today.

[catharsis]

I don't know why people argue semantics about what "is" a sports car. A sports car is a car designed for driving enjoyment, it handles well, and accelerates acceptably quick. You have economy cars, you have minivans, you have luxury cars (they might have big brute engines but feel like boats) and you have sports cars. In this day and age they can or may not have 4 door, they only have 200hp, or they may have 500hp. They're all sports cars to me.

a low small usually 2-passenger automobile designed for quick response, easy maneuverability, and high-speed driving

[Ryephile]

Originally Posted by catharsis

A sports car is a car designed for driving enjoyment

Bingo. That's all it is. There's no need to put blinders on and ignore all the fun cars out there.

Originally Posted by zoomzoomers

Pictures from that same page shown as examples:

Not only did you include the picture of the Boxster, you even included the 90's Lotus Elan....which is front drive! Bravo to you for no longer being so discriminatory.