Second Generation FT86 Confirmed

[Justin.b]

Originally Posted by fumanchu1

@justin don't get me wrong it's a cool, nice car but around here they're a dime a dozen, everyone I know who drifts/drifted had one at one point or another in the last 5 years (We're talking over 20 people I personally know well in a city of 300 000 (100 000 if you take only my city before the fusion). And since demand is high they are all overpriced and beaten to shit, very rare to see one without a rusted frame (they put so much fucking salt on the roads here in winter you could probably attract deers with the roads)

They don't do well with road salt. I actually bought a complete and mostly running one in FL and drove it home in 2001. Never drove it in winter. The kid I sold it to in '07 used it only in warm weather since then too. I've seen some pictures and it seems in the same condition still.

I bought my Miata from Long Beach, CA and drove it back. There's no way I want to work on a project car that's lived in road salt.

When I changed the exhaust on the 240, the nuts were still hex shaped, the studs still had thread on the exposed segments and the nuts came off with simple hand tools in entirely re-usable condition. I had never seen that before. It was nice.

In VT I actually did see deer licking the street.

-Justin

[Packofcrows]

Originally Posted by Justin.b

They all seem to just be getting it wrong. Every time someone claims a car is imported from Japan, there's someone responding with the actual plant location in the US.

I'll just have to read window stickers more closely. Next car is probably a Focus ST, so at least I won't have to be disappointed to find out it wasn;t made in Japan.

-Justin

Haha good deal. Im just hating anyway. Two Fords almost killed me. Im biased.

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Now you can fall in love with a car by looking at thousands of them at whim, watching it perform (usually way beyond reality) in a movie or anime, think you know how it handles from sitting in front of a screen with a controller in your handand listen to 100s of others preach it's gospel in blogs and forums. The fact that you may never have even touched one does not matter as you feel you know it so well.

Your generation did it too, well before computing surpassed using punch cards.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

I know this reads as if I think poorly of people that like these cars. That is not the fact. I myself have a love of many cars I have never driven and never will. The difference lies in the fact I would never even think of running around spewing "these were the bestest cars ever" when I really have no clue what it is actually like. .

Originally Posted by strat61caster

Your generation did it too, well before computing surpassed using punch cards.

Yep!
But I have a surprise for you! Can't prove it (didn't take 100 pics a day back then) but for one whole week back in 77 I actually owned a Superbird. It was beat to shit, broken spoiler, smashed bumper and rotted out but I owned the sonofabitch. Bought it for $1200 sold it a week later for $2,000 and now kick myself every single freakn' time I see one.


The pic cold be it for all I know.

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Yep!
But I have a surprise for you! Can't prove it (didn't take 100 pics a day back then) but for one whole week back in 77 I actually owned a Superbird. It was beat to shit, broken spoiler, smashed bumper and rotted out but I owned the sonofabitch. Bought it for $1200 sold it a week later for $2,000 and now kick myself every single freakn' time I see one.


The pic cold be it for all I know.

Hehe, well did it live up to it's racing heritage? Is your only regret how much money it's worth now?

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

Hehe, well did it live up to it's racing heritage? Is your only regret how much money it's worth now?

Well the one time I took it out on the street it scared the crap outta me. It needed way too much work and I was being deployed to Germany so it made no sense to keep it and haul it from base to base even when I came back so I sold it off to the first buyer with cash. Then I have watched them go higher and higher in value ever since.
When I came back I bought my 70 coronet R/T as a more "practical" alternative. Traded it for a van when I got married and then watched that one shoot up in value as well.

[STZ]

Originally Posted by swarb

Don't mix up second generation and an update/refresh. Model year 2017 is less than a year away.

2017 is going to be a refresh of the current model and they are probably going to milk it another 2-3 years.
Second generation on the other hand is after they are done with the current generation and probably a few years away as it takes that long to develop a car.

Opps. Thanks lol. I know the difference between the two but I guess my brain just decided to not care and lump them together. I made the post at an ungodly hour in the night.

Originally Posted by Alltezza

I hope this car doesn't get the hybrid drive train.

I don't think it will. It just happened to be in the same article. Car manufacturers do some stupid shit from time to time, but im pretty sure Toyota and Subaru fully realize what the point of the 86 is.

Originally Posted by adamg

here we go again

I see this quote on a bunch of motoring.au or rumor based sites. I don't see how it really applies here. Why not talk about something to come?

[GhostRai]

[quote=Tcoat;2441123]Well the one time I took it out on the street it scared the crap outta me. It needed way too much work and I was being deployed to Germany so it made no sense to keep it and haul it from base to base even when I came back so I sold it off to the first buyer with cash. Then I have watched them go higher and higher in value ever since.
When I came back I bought my 70 coronet R/T as a more "practical" alternative. Traded it for a van when I got married and then watched that one shoot up in value as well.


I am constantly reminded by these situations. You won't believe the amount of times my dad has told me the story of how he had the chance to buy a Ferrari 246 Dino back in Hong Kong.

[GhostRai]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Well the one time I took it out on the street it scared the crap outta me. It needed way too much work and I was being deployed to Germany so it made no sense to keep it and haul it from base to base even when I came back so I sold it off to the first buyer with cash. Then I have watched them go higher and higher in value ever since.
When I came back I bought my 70 coronet R/T as a more "practical" alternative. Traded it for a van when I got married and then watched that one shoot up in value as well.

I am constantly reminded by these situations. You won't believe the amount of times my dad has told me the story of how he had the chance to buy a Ferrari 246 Dino back in Hong Kong.

[raven1231]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

Oooh, good call with those cars, however I would argue quite staunchly that the best generations were NOT the last generations with the DC5 Integra picking up weight and MacPherson struts, the MK4 Supra being more a grand-touring car than the sportier Mk2 & 3 and the FD being rather unattainable and tempermental compared to the much more reliable and playful FB/FC, not to mention the FE could be accused of not having a fraction of the edge of the 7's.



Well, 300zx was definitely less a sports car than other Z's, I don't think anyone would honestly take it over a 240Z-280Z (I know a ton of people who would, me being one of them), the new WRX is a V6 Camry in styling and performance (umm what? the styling is more conservative and less gaudy but it's in no way equivalent to a camry, at least not anymore than the frs is to a prius) and the STI is using a 15 year old engine vs. lightweight and tossable bugeye, Mustang is a muscle/pony car finally entering the late 20th century with IRS, definitely an improvement there (after many generations with one step forward two steps back), Corvette can't take track abuse, and Lotus currently only offers the Evora (heaviest lotus to date I think? what a sham) in the U.S. and to my knowledge hasn't significantly reworked a car in well over a decade (Thank god Danny Bahar didn't get the chance to follow through on his 'vision').



With the exception of the Mustang and Elise, I think I prefer an earlier generation of ALL the cars listed over the latest generation when it comes to using them as sporting vehicles, HPDE/AutoX/weekend driving.

Everyone has their own preferences I suppose...

[mhughett]

[QUOTE=raven1231;2440599]Yep...Supra, rx7, 300zx, wrx, mustang, corvette, lotus, etc...




300zx? I'm old enough to have lusted over the original 240z. Now that car was a game changer. Small, light, nimble--at a time when muscle cars ruled the US market. Even the 260z in 1974 was way smaller than the original 300zx from 1990. The 300zx really got porky and over priced before they came back with the 350Z in the early 2000's.

[twag4]

the original 300zx came out in 1984. Best friend's mom got one, what a turd. It was the 80s though, and people bought K cars. So it seemed sporty then.

[raven1231]

[quote=mhughett;2441783]

Originally Posted by raven1231

Yep...Supra, rx7, 300zx, wrx, mustang, corvette, lotus, etc...




300zx? I'm old enough to have lusted over the original 240z. Now that car was a game changer. Small, light, nimble--at a time when muscle cars ruled the US market. Even the 260z in 1974 was way smaller than the original 300zx from 1990. The 300zx really got porky and over priced before they came back with the 350Z in the early 2000's.

I would argue it was far from overpriced given it's components. It wasn't a bare bones car like the 240z. Furthermore, not everyone wants a very light, underpowered car that has to be rung out constantly to perform.

I guess I'm an outlier, but I never thought 3200-3300lbs was a "porker" or "boat", as most people seem to refer to it as....3600-3800 sure that's getting heavy but 3200-3300 is still plenty light. Not to mention provides amenities that make for a great DD, and not just a track or toy car.

[CandorLush]

Mk3 Supra is the only one I have owned and the only one I plan to buy in the future. Mk4 has too big of a premium attached to it, much like the 3000GT VR-4 Spyder, that prices me out, even if I can afford it, it doesn't make sense when I could buy a newer M3 with the same money.