Electric Supercharger - Market Speculation

[Ultramaroon]

Originally Posted by PowderfaceTr.

For Lithium Cells 0.90–2.63 MJ/L or 730.5 W·h/L 500 W·h/kg= at 1.461 kg/L

31.7006463 MJ/L For Gasoline at 0.77 kg/L.

Enough Said.

Enough said about what, copypasta energy density? Duly impressed. Now what?

[PowderfaceTr.]

Originally Posted by Ultramaroon

Enough said about what, copypasta energy density? Duly impressed. Now what?

So what if copy it out of my calculator?

Besides how do you think you are going to market this product to a big investor/manufacturer if the math make no sense?

Solely as a boost it gives you less cost effect than a properly engineered 150HP/L NA engine from a factory. Now that I would invest in.

[Ultramaroon]

Originally Posted by PowderfaceTr.

So what if copy it out of my calculator?

Besides how do you think you are going to market this product to a big investor/manufacturer if the math make no sense?

Solely as a boost it gives you less cost effect than a properly engineered 150HP/L NA engine from a factory. Now that I would invest in.

I'm not marketing anything. What factory? What cost effect? I don't see any dollar signs.

So again, what exactly is your point?

[PowderfaceTr.]

Originally Posted by Ultramaroon

I'm not marketing anything. What factory? What cost effect? I don't see any dollar signs.

So again, what exactly is your point?

You lost?

Originally Posted by Phantobe

To me it seems the most practical for the everyday driver. So I'm just begging the question why aren't other companies investing time and resources to produce a more competitive market in this segment?

[Ultramaroon]

Originally Posted by PowderfaceTr.

You lost?

Nope. I see that you aren't answering OP's question, though. Are you lost?

[PowderfaceTr.]

I did answer. Battery systems have more weight and complexity = high cost and lower margins. When compared to cost of just making a more powerful engine. Nobody make stuff for free. Except hobbyist guys like rob.

[xuimod]

Originally Posted by PowderfaceTr.

I did answer. Battery systems have more weight and complexity = high cost and lower margins. When compared to cost of just making a more powerful engine. Nobody make stuff for free. Except hobbyist guys like rob.

Don't worry about him, he's working towards some incentives.

[WNDSRFR]

Originally Posted by PowderfaceTr.

I did answer. Battery systems have more weight and complexity = high cost and lower margins. When compared to cost of just making a more powerful engine. Nobody make stuff for free. Except hobbyist guys like rob.

What the Hell are you talking about?

[PowderfaceTr.]

The hell I'm saying is you cannot make a profit manufacturing boost aid devices with the current levels of technology.

I love the idea of making your own. Its a great solution for overcoming the problems associated driving in high altitudes.
Why I don't plan on buying one is because the duty cycle is way to low for motor sports.

One market I have not researched thoroughly is to have it sold as a fuel saving device. One could lower the displacement of their engine and compensate with high compression and low boost. The yield would be low as you could never get a lean enough A/F mix to make it worth while. Emissions standards would not allow it either.

I see electric compressors working great for the ATV crowd.
The problem with that market is its Bulky and only suited for a Razor type vehicle.

I have said too much.

Instead of making the topic me. Why doesn't somebody suggest some facts and why they think it could work out to be financially viable?

[PowderfaceTr.]

Just saying.

[DAEMANO]

We have stepped DEEP into a forest of weirdness here.

[Ultramaroon]

Originally Posted by DAEMANO

We have stepped DEEP into a forest of weirdness here.

Precisely, which is why I challenged the post. Someone throws up some numbers and says "nuf said." That's not adding any value to the conversation.

It's disingenuous to argue energy density when we're talking about an aftermarket accessory. OEM and aftermarket are two completely different animals. I just didn't feel like letting it slide last night.

[Shiv@Openflash]

FYI, the twin ESC set up I'm developing for the Audi R8 should be worth a 105-110whp gain and only add about 40lbs of weight (including battery). That is with retaining the huge 70lb stock starter battery. It's easy to save 30lbs there by using a full size Oddessey battery.

Seems pretty viable to me

[DAEMANO]

Originally Posted by Ultramaroon

Precisely, which is why I challenged the post. Someone throws up some numbers and says "nuf said." That's not adding any value to the conversation.

It's disingenuous to argue energy density when we're talking about an aftermarket accessory. OEM and aftermarket are two completely different animals. I just didn't feel like letting it slide last night.

Agreed on all points. Also, OEMs have been signaling that F.I. or electric hybridization are the only ways forward for internal combustion fossil fueled autos. At least for the next 20-30 years. After that all bets are off. I mean there are so many real world indicators that counter the energy density bottom line argument that a person has to not want to see them to argue counter.