Twins vs 2015 z06

[Twin4Life]

Originally Posted by DylanFRS

Reading this thread made me feel like a fat kid downing a box of cookies... I am so ashamed of myself right now...

Mind boggling ridiculous isnt it? Whats next Twins VS Saturn 5 moon rocket? Time Space continuum? Or God itself?

[tahdizzle]

2012 srt challenger was 12.9 in the 1/4. Not sure if it was on drag radials or what rubber (defintely not stock rubber).

But it would take more than 250 whp on a twin to break 13s i think.

[PhoKingCool]

Originally Posted by LSxJunkie

Honestly, insurance is not all that expensive on Corvettes. The demographic of owners is generally older and more responsible, which means less claims and lower premiums. My friend has a C6 and a Genesis Coupe for a daily driver. The insurance is almost the same for both cars, IIRC.

I notice your a fan of the LS motor but what made you go the route of getting a Mustang?

[chrisl]

And that 5L engine is fantastic. I admit, I'm a fan of the LS as well, but that Mustang engine is one of the greatest engines money can buy right now, especially considering how cheap it is.

[BadBRZ]

Originally Posted by LSxJunkie

Your car will run 10s on a drag radial? A Paxton C7 will. A TVS C7 will. In a straight line, a C7Z is going to be as fast as a ZR1. A ZR1 would run 10s on a tire.

Yes my car would run 10's with traction. Map 4 for the Win!

[BadBRZ]

Originally Posted by LSxJunkie

Then yes, you likely have no need for a C7Z. Are you still on the stock bottom end or running meth?

E85 stock block

[Acree]

Originally Posted by jsimon7777

FR-S 25k
LS9 21k
Magnum XL Transmission 5k
Wheels and Tires 5k
Rocket Bunny 5k
Suspension 5k+
Brakes 5k
Axle/Drive shaft/differential 7k
Exhaust 2k
Cooling 2k
Bracing 1k

83k and then you get to install it all. 9k?
And then you get to troubleshoot. 3k?
And that's if it all goes reasonably well.

Oh, sure, you can go with a used engine and transmission. Supercharge it yourself. You can also get a used Corvette, so that's a wash. You'll be special, fo sho, but you'll be out of a lot of money.

Actually he's pretty flipping close... It's more expensive than anyone on these boards truly realizes.

[BadBRZ]

Originally Posted by Acree

Actually he's pretty flipping close... It's more expensive than anyone on these boards truly realizes.

5k for rims and tires, 5k for brakes ...


wtf are you buying that is that expensive...

and if you were going this route wouldn;t you buy a used FRS....

[Acree]

Originally Posted by BadBRZ

5k for rims and tires, 5k for brakes ...


wtf are you buying that is that expensive...

and if you were going this route wouldn;t you buy a used FRS....

Yes $5k for wheels are tires is pretty effing easy. No one is going to do through the trouble and money to motor swap this car and put crap wheels or tires on it. Just your standard set of TE37's (which aren't "that" expensive) will run $3300. Add on your standard Pilot Super Sports and you're pretty close to $5k. And here's the kicker, most people modding to this HP level will not be happy with the tire width the stock body can accommodate. So that will easily increase the wheel and tire cost to over $5k. And that's not even discussing the body modifications.

$5k for suspension? Not too difficult to do either. A decent set of Ohlins and all of the required supporting hardware, and then you are guaranteed to need built rear LCAs. And I would HIGHLY recommend fabricated front LCAs because the stock ones are flimsy as hell.

$5k for brakes is also incredibly easy to do. You'll have a car with 400whp HP minimum weighing close to or above 3,000 pounds. No one in their right mind would keep the stock braking system on, for the front OR rear. I would argue even the ever-so-popular STi Brembo swap would have inadequate heat capacity for this type of build if we're talking about actually tracking the car. A proper 6/4 pot system would be needed to match the rest of the build.

[BadBRZ]

Originally Posted by Acree

Yes $5k for wheels are tires is pretty effing easy. No one is going to do through the trouble and money to motor swap this car and put crap wheels or tires on it. Just your standard set of TE37's (which aren't "that" expensive) will run $3300. Add on your standard Pilot Super Sports and you're pretty close to $5k. And here's the kicker, most people modding to this HP level will not be happy with the tire width the stock body can accommodate. So that will easily increase the wheel and tire cost to over $5k. And that's not even discussing the body modifications.

$5k for suspension? Not too difficult to do either. A decent set of Ohlins and all of the required supporting hardware, and then you are guaranteed to need built rear LCAs. And I would HIGHLY recommend fabricated front LCAs because the stock ones are flimsy as hell.

$5k for brakes is also incredibly easy to do. You'll have a car with 400whp HP minimum weighing close to or above 3,000 pounds. No one in their right mind would keep the stock braking system on, for the front OR rear. I would argue even the ever-so-popular STi Brembo swap would have inadequate heat capacity for this type of build if we're talking about actually tracking the car. A proper 6/4 pot system would be needed to match the rest of the build.

these are all worst case scenarios... you're stretching the realm of possibilities to prove your point...


I could modify the FA20 and achieve the same power levels for far less and still out perform a Z06.

no i won't have a warranty no i won't be 50 state legal emissions or what evr lame crap people keep coming up with. but it is an 86 and it would out perform for less

[Acree]

Originally Posted by BadBRZ

these are all worst case scenarios... you're stretching the realm of possibilities to prove your point...


I could modify the FA20 and achieve the same power levels for far less and still out perform a Z06.

no i won't have a warranty no i won't be 50 state legal emissions or what evr lame crap people keep coming up with. but it is an 86 and it would out perform

Lol this is exactly what I'm talking about.... "still out perform a Z06." No it wouldn't. You might do one, maybe two things better than a Z06, but your car in no way would be better than a Z06. Ever.

You might go faster in a straight line... you might pull more G's around a skid pad... you might have a slightly better stopping distance... But you'd never do all three, for cheaper, lap after lap, day after day... You just wouldn't. I guarantee you no matter how much money you put into your car, it's never going to be completely better (and still cheaper) than a Z06. Or an M3. Or a CTS-V. Or xxxx more expensive sports car. Every single car on the market was properly developed and vetted by an army of engineers to meet certain performance goals at a certain price point. You will never be able to turn a lesser platform into something that is better at everything but still less expensive than a more expensive starting point.

I had your same mindset just a few months ago. But the difference is I've done my research. I've talked to the right people. I was on the ground floor with the people who are specifically developing and testing these V8 swapped FR-S and BRZ cars. I had been planning to drop a V8 in my car since the day I bought it. Over a year and a half later, I sold it. You're not going to trust me when I say "trust me" but you should.

[STV3]

Originally Posted by BadBRZ

Yes my car would run 10's with traction. Map 4 for the Win!

I'll believe it when I see the time slips. Don't even need slicks, go run your car down the 1\4 mile and we'll be able to tell by your trap speed.

[BadBRZ]

Originally Posted by Acree

Lol this is exactly what I'm talking about.... "still out perform a Z06." No it wouldn't. You might do one, maybe two things better than a Z06, but your car in no way would be better than a Z06. Ever.

You might go faster in a straight line... you might pull more G's around a skid pad... you might have a slightly better stopping distance... But you'd never do all three, for cheaper, lap after lap, day after day... You just wouldn't. I guarantee you no matter how much money you put into your car, it's never going to be completely better (and still cheaper) than a Z06. Or an M3. Or a CTS-V. Or xxxx more expensive sports car. Every single car on the market was properly developed and vetted by an army of engineers to meet certain performance goals at a certain price point. You will never be able to turn a lesser platform into something that is better at everything but still less expensive than a more expensive starting point.

I had your same mindset just a few months ago. But the difference is I've done my research. I've talked to the right people. I was on the ground floor with the people who are specifically developing and testing these V8 swapped FR-S and BRZ cars. I had been planning to drop a V8 in my car since the day I bought it. Over a year and a half later, I sold it. You're not going to trust me when I say "trust me" but you should.

1: outperforming a z06 isn't my goal nor would i spend money with that ambition

2: now your throwingin crap liek "lap after lap day after day" ... that changes everything.... with that mind set a stock prius out performs a f1 race car because it can drive for over a hundred thousand miles with out needing a rebuild

3: yes i understand a z06 base is better than ft86 base... can an FT86 be modded to outperform a z06 in g's, 1/4mile and top speed for less... YES... will it last longer ... no.... will it be as valuable ... no .... will it be unique .. yes

[BadBRZ]

Originally Posted by STV3

I'll believe it when I see the time slips. Don't even need slicks, go run your car down the 1\4 mile and we'll be able to tell by your trap speed.

HAHA ... any big turbo 86 @2.2bar on e85 is a 10 second car if they can get traction i don't need to prove anything about it... ask any one of the other turbo guys