Should I Trade In My Si?

[Summerwolf]

Wow. Another torque dip thread. Can we please argue about it for 4 pages with everyone saying something to the effect of "you cant drive," "should have bought a mustang or camaro" or "it's common, lots of cars have it."

Just downshift or drive through it, it's not noticeable.

YES!!!!

[ermax]

Originally Posted by Yoshoobaroo

Inflation also doesn't mean shit when wages haven't kept up with it.

1995
Median household income: 53,330
BMW M3: 37,950 - 71% of median income

2017
Median household income: 59,039
BMW M4: 65,400 - 111% of median income

The car got 56% more expensive.
Cars are more expensive now when you look at the real buying power people have in our economy. My parents were able to buy brand new cars/ barely used luxury cars every 3ish years while feeding 2 kids. I have 2 kids and can't do that and I arguably have a much 'better' job they had when I was my kid's age.

I see your point but you can hardly compare the E36 to the F80 other than they are both called the M3. A more fair comparison would be a 95 Accord to a 2018 Accord where the car hasn't practically jumped into another class. Or a 95 MX5 vs 2018 MX5. BMW in general has gone nuts with their pricing.

[ermax]

Originally Posted by Summerwolf

Wow. Another torque dip thread. Can we please argue about it for 4 pages with everyone saying something to the effect of "you cant drive," "should have bought a mustang or camaro" or "it's common, lots of cars have it."

Just downshift or drive through it, it's not noticeable.

YES!!!!

The OP specifically asked if it still existed. He didn't ask if you could drive around it. That's kind of obvious.

[Summerwolf]

Originally Posted by ermax

The OP specifically asked if it still existed. He didn't ask if you could drive around it. That's kind of obvious.

You are obviously not familiar with my work, sir.

[ermax]

Originally Posted by Summerwolf

You are obviously not familiar with my work, sir.

A quick look at your post history and now I see. Hahaha

[SuperTom]

Originally Posted by GrantedTaken

This is quote possibly the most idiotic thing I've ever read here. And that's saying a lot.
I've never ever had to pull to red line to pass a mini-van. Vans go like snails, I pass them in the blink of an eye.
I sometimes wonder what planet some of these posters live on.

Actually that is the best quote, just to get some pull coming out of a redlight you have to rev the mess out of this thing. If you have an exhaust its even worse because everyone thinks you are trying to race them.


ACE headers or Catless UEL headers help out off the line a lot. And getting a tune can help the raucous off the line noise smooth out

[Yoshoobaroo]

Originally Posted by ermax

I see your point but you can hardly compare the E36 to the F80 other than they are both called the M3. A more fair comparison would be a 95 Accord to a 2018 Accord where the car hasn't practically jumped into another class. Or a 95 MX5 vs 2018 MX5. BMW in general has gone nuts with their pricing.

1995
Median household income: 53,330
BMW M3: 37,950 - 71% of median income
Honda accord: 14,940 - 28%
Mazda Miata: 17,895 - 33%

2017
Median household income: 59,039
BMW M4: 65,400 - 111% of median income
Honda Accord: 22,455 - 38%
(Honda Civic: 18,740 - 32%)
Mazda Miata: 24,915 - 42%

The cars got 56%, 36%, and 27% more expensive.

Even when you consider that the Civic is now about equivalent in size as the Accord was then, it still costs 15% more to own the car.
Cars. Are. More. Expensive. Period.

[ermax]

Originally Posted by Yoshoobaroo

1995
Median household income: 53,330
BMW M3: 37,950 - 71% of median income
Honda accord: 14,940 - 28%
Mazda Miata: 17,895 - 33%

2017
Median household income: 59,039
BMW M4: 65,400 - 111% of median income
Honda Accord: 22,455 - 38%
(Honda Civic: 18,740 - 32%)
Mazda Miata: 24,915 - 42%

The cars got 56%, 36%, and 27% more expensive.

Even when you consider that the Civic is now about equivalent in size as the Accord was then, it still costs 15% more to own the car.
Cars. Are. More. Expensive. Period.

I never said they were not more expensive. My point was you can't simply apply inflation to a car because their target audience can completely change. For example if you applied inflation to that 1995 Accord it would be 24700 and the MX5 would be 28700. I threw out the Accord and the Miata because their target hasn't changed that much. Like you said, the Accord has gotten much larger with the Civic sort of filling in behind it and yet still didn't keep up with inflation. The M3 is kind of a special case though.

Factoring in the household income is an eye opener though. It seems like food has been hit with inflation the most. I'm a runner and decided to start packing my own lunch and using my lunch break for a run and I'm saving $200-$250 per month doing this. So it's a win win. I remember when you could get lunch for $5, now I'm lucky to get lunch for $12. I'm no economist but printing money and keeping interest rates artificially low for so long seems like a recipe for disaster in the long run.

[ScoobsMcGee]

Originally Posted by Summerwolf

Wow. Another torque dip thread. Can we please argue about it for 4 pages with everyone saying something to the effect of "you cant drive," "should have bought a mustang or camaro" or "it's common, lots of cars have it."

Just downshift or drive through it, it's not noticeable.

YES!!!!

It's common that people can't drive a Mustang or Camaro.

[Summerwolf]

Originally Posted by ScoobsMcGee

It's common that people can't drive a Mustang or Camaro.

Oh, really? Too much power under the curve or what?!?!?!

[Sasquachulator]

Originally Posted by Summerwolf

Oh, really? Too much power under the curve or what?!?!?!

not enough power!

But theres enough power to press gas to go, so......

[Adam_L]

It would be good to compare Honda models, 1997 to 2017 ( 20 year difference in price). Even Corolla /Camery works. The Miata has changed too much, so has M3 ( performance /features, weight, safety, etc) . Keep it more so apples to apples comparison. Thanks for doing that comparison BTW

[Joveen]

Get a MK7 Gti. Those things handles well. All your complains are not an issue with that platform. Also with just a downpipe and tune (stage 2) gets you up to about 300+ hp and upgrade the intercooler for stage 2+ your looking at close to 370hp and 300+ torque.

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[ScoobsMcGee]

Originally Posted by Summerwolf

Oh, really? Too much power under the curve or what?!?!?!

They floor it at 4000 rpm expecting to be in the torque dip and, well... you know.