2017 BRZ vs MX5 RF

[TylerLieberman]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

I've said it before and I'll say it again, this thing will still be rolling out of the factory well past 2020.

I'm a bit skeptical of this. I actually wouldn't be all that surprised if MY2020 was the last year of the vehicle. 13-16 would be the Zenki model, with 17-20 being the kouki model.

It lines up. Guess we'll just have to wait it out and see how it all goes.

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by TylerLieberman

I'm a bit skeptical of this. I actually wouldn't be all that surprised if MY2020 was the last year of the vehicle. 13-16 would be the Zenki model, with 17-20 being the kouki model.

It lines up. Guess we'll just have to wait it out and see how it all goes.

2012-2016 would be 2017-2021

Don't be fooled by American model years, the rest of the world is more logical. I suppose my statement was a bit misleading, I'll be surprised if there's a 2022 model unless it's a 2nd generation.

[TylerLieberman]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

2012-2016 would be 2017-2021

Don't be fooled by American model years, the rest of the world is more logical. I suppose my statement was a bit misleading, I'll be surprised if there's a 2022 model unless it's a 2nd generation.

There was no MY2012 car though. MY2013-MY2016 is the same duration as MY2017-MY2020.

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by TylerLieberman

There was no MY2012 car though. MY2013-MY2016 is the same duration as MY2017-MY2020.

There was, just not in the US

Fine; Spring of 2012- fall of 2016, fall of 2016 - spring of 2021

[WolfpackS2k]

Personally I can count on one hand how many MY17 86/BRZ's I've seen since they came out, and I'm not very happy about that.

[TylerLieberman]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

There was, just not in the US

Fine; Spring of 2012- fall of 2016, fall of 2016 - spring of 2021

Still incorrect. It would be spring 2020. That would give the same production length for the zenki and kouki models.

And we've been discussing US number primarily this whole time. Not sure how it changed all of a sudden.

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by TylerLieberman

Still incorrect. It would be spring 2020. That would give the same production length for the zenki and kouki models.

What?
Spring 2012 - Fall 2016 is 4.5 years, 54 months
54 months from Fall 2016 is Spring 2021

The first cars rolled out of the factory in March 2012 iirc, 2021 would be 9 years in production, ~4.5 years per version.

[funwheeldrive]

Originally Posted by WolfpackS2k

Personally I can count on one hand how many MY17 86/BRZ's I've seen since they came out, and I'm not very happy about that.

I think part of the issue is that there weren't enough changes made to convince current owners to trade in their cars. The Performance Package is nice, but I would rather keep my MY14 for several reasons.

Most of the people who were interested in the 86 platform already own a Zenki version.

[TylerLieberman]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

What?
Spring 2012 - Fall 2016 is 4.5 years, 54 months
54 months from Fall 2016 is Spring 2021

The first cars rolled out of the factory in March 2012 iirc, 2021 would be 9 years in production, ~4.5 years per version.

Got me there. I stand corrected. Just recounted and it seems that would be the case. Very weird.

I'm so used to just counting years. The way the MY vehicle release schedule works is weird and has me all sorts of messed up

Oh well. So then, 2021 is what I forsee being the final year for this car.

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by TylerLieberman

I'm so used to just counting years. The way the MY vehicle release schedule works is weird and has me all sorts of messed up

Oh well. So then, 2021 is what I forsee being the final year for this car.

That's kind of why I mention the 2012 model from more sane countries.

Time will tell, the world will be a different place in 4 years, who knows. The important part is to have fun now.

Originally Posted by funwheeldrive

Most of the people who were interested in the 86 platform already own a Zenki version.

Yeah, it was never going to convert new or old owners, just maintain the car's availability on the market for the people that weren't able to get one before.

But, for perspective the 86 is still going to move >10k units this year, more than the S2k EVER sold in a single calendar year, more than any Porsche sports car, hell roughly double the Cayman and Boxster combined.

Unless there's a huge economic crisis I think the 86 will survive to full term.

[Mr.Impreza]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

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But, for perspective the 86 is still going to move >10k units this year, more than the S2k EVER sold in a single calendar year, more than any Porsche sports car, hell roughly double the Cayman and Boxster combined.

Unless there's a huge economic crisis I think the 86 will survive to full term.

Speaking of sales. The want to sell 8600 units of the 2017 model right? (Since it's limited production)

If we take sales from January to June (6/12 months) 2017 it's currently at 3736.

I doubt sales will be strong in November/December but lets say things remain about the same.
We are looking at roughly 7,472.

Now....technically, some of the 2017's were already being sold in 2016 right? Or am I off here? Either way...seems like hitting 8600 is possible....but it also may not be since in late 2017 the 2018's will be coming out.

We have to admit...sales are dropping more and more and the 2017 refresh hasn't helped as some sources early on were saying they would.

[funwheeldrive]

Originally Posted by Mr.Impreza

Speaking of sales. The want to sell 8600 units of the 2017 model right? (Since it's limited production)

If we take sales from January to June (6/12 months) 2017 it's currently at 3736.

I doubt sales will be strong in November/December but lets say things remain about the same.
We are looking at roughly 7,472.

Now....technically, some of the 2017's were already being sold in 2016 right? Or am I off here? Either way...seems like hitting 8600 is possible....but it also may not be since in late 2017 the 2018's will be coming out.

We have to admit...sales are dropping more and more and the 2017 refresh hasn't helped as some sources early on were saying they would.

What about Canada?

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by Mr.Impreza

Speaking of sales. The want to sell 8600 units of the 2017 model right? (Since it's limited production)

Toyota's advertising department certainly made that claim. Personally I don't take much stock in that and for the overall health of the model I include the BRZ in my speculation.

We have to admit...sales are dropping more and more and the 2017 refresh hasn't helped as some sources early on were saying they would.

What sources? Marketing drivel about 'limited production'? The only people who know what the real expectations were receive paychecks from Toyota or Subaru and they certainly didn't leak it.

[Mr.Impreza]

Originally Posted by funwheeldrive

What about Canada?

Canadian sales started out really bad however it was probably due to low stock levels?

Either way I'm actually surprised they have been steady increasing in Canada.

Originally Posted by strat61caster

Toyota's advertising department certainly made that claim. Personally I don't take much stock in that and for the overall health of the model I include the BRZ in my speculation.

What sources? Marketing drivel about 'limited production'? The only people who know what the real expectations were receive paychecks from Toyota or Subaru and they certainly didn't leak it.

Regarding the sources, it wasn't from anyone special. What I meant by sources was car reviewers cause I remember some reviews saying how the new 86 was selling very well which I don't think is true compared to how the FRS was selling when it came out.
Also sales are showing otherwise especially in the US where it's mostly a decline still compared to older sales.