trading auto FRS for Manual

[iag48st]

Originally Posted by totopo

neither... it is a torque converter automatic transmission.

I think we all know its a slush box, thats why he said "style".

[NyC Zn6]

Originally Posted by iag48st

Never driven a DCT car but the shifts are crisp and very fast (.3s).

My previous car was an MK6 DSG GTI and I loved the quick shifts but hated the lack of full control over the tranny. In manual mode it would automatically upshift at redline. It also would downshift if you depressed the pedal all the way.

The FRS on the other hand gives you full control. You can bounce it off the limiter while drifting, you can double tap up or down to skip gears.

I'm in Woodside Queens, if we ever meet up, ill let you take her for a spin.

Most definitely hopefully we can set up a meet when the weather gets better.

[fumanchu1]

Originally Posted by Joyride86

If it was me, I wouldn't trade just because of the transmission. You would take a big hit and it just doesn't make financial sense. But it is your money and ultimately your decision unless a parent had to help or they would be taking the loss.

I own a manual frs and an automatic DD. I would say I have more fun in the manual but it is purely subjective. My wife hates driving the manual and finds the auto much more enjoyable.

That depends if OP can get a good price on his car and purchased a used manual he might break even, hell he could even make a few bucks if his timing is right (used for used obviously)

[nmctacticz]

I've driven the M3, M5, Evo, Golf R, GTR, RC-F, Murcielago and the FRS all in paddle shift. The FRS is not bad... shift speed is average in my opinion but sometimes a little boring especially if its bone stock or if you're not in race mode... However with a bit of power added on with mods, you turn on VSC mode and track it, you will feel the beast behind the paddles

[Cal3000]

Originally Posted by RichardsFRS

If he's going to dump 10+ grand into the car to get 100hp , he may as well start with a more powerful car, Mustang GT in which case if he got an auto or stick it wouldn't matter, because they are just monsters regardless

It's more like 5-6 grand for 100 hp. Add in another grand for a flex fuel kit and you are at 200+hp extra.
I think it's more fun to make a slower car faster than to just buy a fast car. There is something more exciting about catching people off guard.

[Spacemane969]

Originally Posted by Kendallkab

Depends on the condition and the year. I had a dealer tell me they would give me 15000. Mine is in fair condition and has 38000 miles on it a 2013.

Thanks for the heads up. Exact same miles and good condition so i'll see what they throw out there.

[RichardsFRS]

Originally Posted by Cal3000

It's more like 5-6 grand for 100 hp. Add in another grand for a flex fuel kit and you are at 200+hp extra.
I think it's more fun to make a slower car faster than to just buy a fast car. There is something more exciting about catching people off guard.

Dude then you have to build the insides so they don't explode. But yes 400 hp would be fun as shit in this car. I'm going for a more sublte 200whp but the my main goal would be to get rid of that lul at 3000-4000

[86geek]

so has the OP replied as to what he will do?

[makesdrivingfunagain]

And would the trade be worth it especially if I plan on aiming for 250whp in the future in this car. All opinions and statements welcome!!!

I am not sure how much money you would lose in the trade in but you might be able to save a bit for the supercharger. I think you could probably get one w install for around6-7K.

I think if you get a 250 RWHP you are going to have so much fun in an auto.

[GoobyFRS]

It all depends. I bought the MT because its all Ive ever driven. Never spent more than an hour in an AT. I did enjoy the AT while I used it.
My gf wants to get a FRS/BRZ and I tell her get the AT. You never risk losing a clutch and I assume the 0-62 time is faster on the AT since (unpopular opinion) the computer can shift faster these days. (Idk how fast it shifts on ours though)
Tldr; Go for it but expect to replace a clutch or two

-GoobyFRS

[Kronos]

Just for the record, the AT is slower to 62 due to having taller gear ratios than the MT

edit: you are right about the faster shifting tho

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[iag48st]

Originally Posted by GoobyFRS

It all depends. I bought the MT because its all Ive ever driven. Never spent more than an hour in an AT. I did enjoy the AT while I used it.
My gf wants to get a FRS/BRZ and I tell her get the AT. You never risk losing a clutch and I assume the 0-62 time is faster on the AT since (unpopular opinion) the computer can shift faster these days. (Idk how fast it shifts on ours though)
Tldr; Go for it but expect to replace a clutch or two

-GoobyFRS

.3's of a second.

[RichardsFRS]

Lot of theories about which transmission is best in traffic, I think my mother in-law said it best. ALL CARS SUCK IN TRAFFIC! I mean who the hell wants to be in traffic.

[Spacemane969]

A couple of people were asking about OP's final verdict. I can sort of answer from my POV having been in the same situation and test driving the MT for the first time a couple days ago.

A lot of this is just common sense but it really is just going to come down to your experience with manual transmissions and the initial gut feel you have when driving.

The test drive for me competely satisfied my curiosity and solidified my initial decision to go with AT. With very little experience practicing on my friends manual transmission I definitely came out of the test drive just feeling disappointed and not really encouraged at all to learn manual for the first time with this car. The used fr-s i drove seemed to be a bit of a beater, thrashed on and not maintained very well. First thing to notice was the gears just feeling so close together that i missed probably a quarter of shifts, not sure if the shifter in the 86 takes getting used to but the movement just felt so sloppy. Also the dealer noted that there might be some clutch wear in effect...I couldn't really feel a catch point at all. The experience driving a brand new one might have been better or worse, who knows...but for a beginner the whole process of shifting just feels so absolutely outdated and ancient. I completely understand that the mechanical involvement attracts people, but personally I just kind of find it an unnecessary process that really only could be rewarding with time and perfection.

There are really only 3 elements of the manual that are left to be desired in the AT:
1) Aggressive launching
2) Clutch kicking to drift
3) Rewarding downshifts

Out of the 3, the second is probably the biggest. It seems tricky sometimes with anything but all Trac/VSC off to get the car consistently sideways without it violently kicking back the other direction. I'm sure a lot of AT owners have no issues, again an area of learning for me but I can only imagine clutch kicking could provide more control going into a drift.

The other 2 are obvioulsy availale in the AT. The revmatching downshifts do feel a little bit of a cheat at first in the auto but they become really, really satisfying once you become familiar with the speeds and gears and can really use it to your advantage coming into turns. The engine sound is just so raw too and its exactly the same every time, a computer can do it better

And launching in the auto is very easy all be it probably not as aggressive as the MT.

Finally a lot of people will say that MT drivers can be more focused because of the involvement and engagement. I'm sorry but I just don't buy that. I can take it to the track and pull the same lines and times as an MT but I get to keep BOTH hands on the wheel at all times, and I don't need to use a portion of my brain to operate a clutch, or worry about what revs I need to be at, or even what gear I'm in(digital readout).

In the end I'm happy with the AT. For those beginners in the future test driving both....just ask yourself if you feel the eagerness or willingness to learn stick. It might not be as awesome as people say it might be, and the way the fr-s is setup you can have just as much fun in both.