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To me, babying it means maintaining it meticulously, spending a butt load of money modding it, never driving it in snow or salt and almost never driving it in the rain. It is a sports car not a muscle car. That means, I do not have to do twice the speed limit to have fun. I can go find some twisties that normal cars have to creep around at the "yellow" speed limit and I can drive them at the full posted speed limit (+5 to make up for speedometer under reporting speed on almost all cars). @ OP as was said above. You were irresponsible. Man up, take your medicine and learn from your mistake. Be thankful that it won't be the last one you make.
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In response to many replies here, I know I was speeding and I'm not upset that I got pulled over. But I had no idea it was a 40mph zone... this the RFK (tribororugh bridge) and it was 2am, so almost no cars on the road. For those that live in nyc, it was going towards the BQE, so all I needed to do was step on 3rd gear a little harder than usual since it was just a long straight, and next thing I know i was already doing 85. I let off the gas and by that time I already saw the cop Never expected it to be a 40mph zone and coming off the jersey turnpike didn't help =/ |
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I used to live in NY. Man, in school zones you have to do the school speed limit. In California you only do 25MPH if children are present, which of course they won't be at 1 am or Christmas day--another crucial difference. For the record, I don't speed and don't advocate speeding. But the one time I did get a speeding ticket in good old Cali. I attended the Comedy Club driving school. And in California what department manages the driving schools in this state? California Highway Patrol? No. CalTrans? No. Attorney General? No. Ahh . . . It's the Department of Agriculture!! I kid you not. See, it's one big joke in this state. Last edited by HotLava; 02-13-2013 at 04:32 PM. Reason: Add more info. |
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The OP wasn't getting on about the difference between law and logic, but the post you responded to was directly addressing the issue in a different realm of thought that doesn't presuppose that the law is supreme and must be followed and cannot be questioned. You failed to see my point, and it's clear that you're more legally inclined than logically inclined, as evidenced by your thought process regarding driving being a right. I never said it was a right, I said something akin to "the speed limit may not be correct", but you interpreted it in a legal framework that's not actually relevant to the point I was making. It's clear you interpreted it this way because you're using the legal definition of right (a thing bestowed upon all people) rather than the more common definition I was using (right vs wrong) while equating the two. Jurisprudence is very different from what happens in a court. Everything is bounded within this framework. You cannot exclude something from a system via an arbitrary distinction (i.e. I define driving as a privilege and speech as a right, therefore one can be scrutinized and the other cannot). It's simple to say "you don't have the right"; it's harder to back it up in a logically coherent fashion. Back on that issue of rights: Why isn't the ability to drive a right? Think about the answer to that question carefully, because it's much simpler than you may realize. Last edited by blackraven1425; 02-13-2013 at 05:13 PM. |
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For the OP, get a lawyer. Will be worth the expense, see the above link. Recommended by Matt Farah of The Car Show and The Smoking Tire fame. I had many speeding tickets from age 16-30, only one in the 12 years since (due to a speedometer that read low). I still speed, I just don't get tickets anymore.
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I don't fail to see your point at all, nor do presume that the law is supreme and cannot be modified. This was never a discussion of right vs wrong, but was always a legal (how can I get out of this ticket) thread. We all recognize that breaking the law and then contesting that it shouldn't be that way is not going to get it changed. And anyway, like I said, the OP is not interested in changing the speed limit. By the very definition of what a speed limit is, LEGALLY and LOGICALLY, they can not be incorrect. They can indeed be inefficient, needlessly low or dangerously high, and all those things are subjective. The fact remains though that you can change a speed limit tomorrow and it wouldn't have been wrong today. All of this is way off point, though - and so I won't continue to jack the thread. Your points are eloquently stated and well thought out, we're just not talking about the same things. |
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Below is a transcript of an interview with a Long Beach, CA traffic engineer from the Pasadena Star News: Q: Wait. The Wardlow speed dots south of Studebaker. I don't like those at all. Do you get a lot of complaints about them? A: Complaints, yes, but also appreciation for them. People want cars to slow down as they go over the bridge. We want people to go slower so we can keep the speed limit down to 45. Q: You mean if people drive faster, the speed limit will go up? A: It can. We have to follow very strict laws about how speed limits are set. We conduct speed surveys. We set the limit at the 85th percentile, the idea being that most drivers are reasonable. The problem is that many smaller communities don't have engineers and don't spend the money to conduct surveys. So you end up with speed limits set by city councils in response to "Complaining Jane" who thinks it should be 25MPH on her road, even though everyone goes 40. Below is an article about a retired Sheriff who is suing is own city due to wrong speed limits. LOMA LINDA - Speed limits have been set below state standards on several city streets, constituting speed traps, alleges a retired sheriff's deputy. Walter Farr gained familiarity with the California Vehicle Code as he enforced traffic laws in San Dimas, and since moving to Loma Linda he said he's noticed streets with speed limits 10mph below the usual survey-based standard. "Any ticket written on a street where the limit isn't in agreement with the survey is a speed trap ticket and would be thrown out by a judge," Farr said. "(But) many people won't fight the ticket and will go to traffic school or pay the fine. ... Look at the economic damage to the public." And he said artificially low speed limits - he points to Beaumont Avenue's 35mph maximum as a prime example - can actually increase accidents, an argument the transportation officials also make. |
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In California, all that you just mentioned only applies to multi-lane state highways. And the law states that the speed limit is 55 UNLESS the conditions you mention have been met, and then it is modified accordingly.
If you really want to get into an interesting discussion, the validity of the 85% rule and the affect of existing speed limits is very debatable. Not to mention that the 85th percentile seems completely arbitrary in the first place. Why not use the 80th or 90th percentile? |
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You are scum. You 100% deserve this ticket. Take it to the track next time. You may think you're a competent driver but you can't count on the numbnuts next to you being a safer driver than you are and not suddenly changing lanes into you or something equally as stupid. I forgive you a little bit. Still, take it to the track. |
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There seems to be some discrepancy about whether Scion is even a make rather than a series of models. NHTSA doesn't list Scion as a make. It's listed as a Toyota for the make, and the model is a Scion FR-S (same for tC, xD, etc.). So, I'm not sure if this would work.
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Haha...I had a somewhat similiar experience. Pulled over for 88 in a 55 and the first thing he asked me was "Sir, have you ever been to jail?" Not a good feeling. He let me off with a warning though.
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