2013 Scion FR-S Priced at $24,200 ($24,930 after destination)

[CyberFormula]

Originally Posted by titusdrake

If they were to make GTI RWD it would be 28-29k
GTI is FWD. FWD is cheaper to make, they traded RWD for more power..and not even that much..if ur gonna go that route grab a mazdaspeed3..much better for same price..but..still...FWD....

not much better.
If people are gonna buy this car for practicality over a miata, well that's missing the point. You dont' buy the car for practicality.
Only if you're in the market for a BRAND new car would any of this make any sense to pay the $24000.

Mazdaspeed 3 is only greater in power, but it doesn't make the car better.
Power ain't the issue. Its the weight. GTi's weakness is weight. The FWD can be overcome by proper understanding of driving techniques and suspension setup. Although the GTI will Never be able to drift...

As for the s2000, it is a greater car as i can tell in almost every way to the Scion FRS, except it can't carry extra rims/tires in the trunk. If you want to add another weakness is that it isn't a hard top. Other than that...i'm willing to overcome those weaknesses for over $10000 difference to the New Scion FRS.

Give it like 3 years, if the earth is still around and the FRS should be around $15-13k.

[Kiwi]

Originally Posted by Enemies

You have to remember that a lot of those cars and prices were released when the Canadian dollar was worth less than the American dollar. Now that it's worth more hopefully the price won't be an 8% or more difference. I'm not expecting parity but it would be nice if they threw us a bone.

I'm also hoping Subaru is a little smarter in it's pricing strategy for Canada considering I think a lot of people are going to jump ship from Subaru to Scion if Canadians are charged a hefty difference for living above an invisible line and having fancier looking money.

I doubt that they would set the price closely compared to what is offered in the US just cause our dollar is worth slightly more at the moment. I think it's still going to be an increase around 8% or plus a little.
Setting a slightly higher MSRP now and then reducing it a bit next year is much easier than having to raise it when the value of the dollar drops.

[Deslock]

Originally Posted by CyberFormula

If people are gonna buy this car for practicality over a miata, well that's missing the point. You dont' buy the car for practicality.

I disagree. If I didn't need 3 seats, I'd stick with the Miata.

[S2kphile]

Originally Posted by CyberFormula

As for the s2000, it is a greater car as i can tell in almost every way to the Scion FRS, except it can't carry extra rims/tires in the trunk. If you want to add another weakness is that it isn't a hard top. Other than that...i'm willing to overcome those weaknesses for over $10000 difference to the New Scion FRS.

Having owned and driven an S2000 you are correct that it's a better overall car in terms of balanced and fun factor. IMO, this is a coupe version of the S2000 with 2 additional seats and better trunk space.

Another thought to consider is it's getting harder to find clean/stock example of a S2000; additionally, it'll command a premium price since most are beaten to sh*t, modded hellaflushed, or have accidents,etc.

I think most people like myself would rather have no issues with buying a used vehicle and the added factors above.

[CyberFormula]

Originally Posted by Deslock

I disagree. If I didn't need 3 seats, I'd stick with the Miata.

If you REALLy needed 3 seats...you don't buy this car. You would buy something with actual seats. But as I understand it, people are compromising.

The only advantage this car has is light weight. If you don't mind extra weight you have other cars that either has more power, better interior quality, has ACTUAL rear seats, and RWD.

[titusdrake]

Originally Posted by CyberFormula

not much better.
If people are gonna buy this car for practicality over a miata, well that's missing the point. You dont' buy the car for practicality.
Only if you're in the market for a BRAND new car would any of this make any sense to pay the $24000.

Mazdaspeed 3 is only greater in power, but it doesn't make the car better.
Power ain't the issue. Its the weight. GTi's weakness is weight. The FWD can be overcome by proper understanding of driving techniques and suspension setup. Although the GTI will Never be able to drift...

As for the s2000, it is a greater car as i can tell in almost every way to the Scion FRS, except it can't carry extra rims/tires in the trunk. If you want to add another weakness is that it isn't a hard top. Other than that...i'm willing to overcome those weaknesses for over $10000 difference to the New Scion FRS.

Give it like 3 years, if the earth is still around and the FRS should be around $15-13k.

cept S2000 isn't new, so its already aged..i don't fit in a S2000, i don't want a soft top. and i do like how sporty the FR-s is yet it still has a trunk..i think its a great car, and probably won't really take off with the intended audience until 3-4 years down the road

[CyberFormula]

Originally Posted by titusdrake

cept S2000 isn't new, so its already aged..i don't fit in a S2000, i don't want a soft top. and i do like how sporty the FR-s is yet it still has a trunk..i think its a great car, and probably won't really take off with the intended audience until 3-4 years down the road

If that's the case, then FRS or BRZ will be your only choice. Cause there is nothing else "NEW" that is in the same class currently.

[Heero]

Originally Posted by A Gomez

I actually think 2 - 3 K would not be a deal breaker for teenagers seriously considering to buy this car. Aren't their daddies paying for them anyway and I would imagine such a teen would not dwell on a couple of grands.

zzzz... Can people realize this hurts younge adults more then teens? My parents wont pay for my whip. I have roughly enough saved to purchase a USD fr-s... but the Canadian Markup will most likely be 28k, thats 32 OTD...

At that price I HAVE to finance. If I'm financing I might as well look at the more expensive competitors that I couldn't buy in cash (mainly 128i).

I think this is running through alot of peoples minds now... Does this car at this price have more utility then a much nicer car at 8k extra?

[Calum]

so, have we determined that this is real yet. I mean, 35 pages and we don't even know for sure if this is real

[Levi]

As expected, affordable but not cheap. 25.000 $ in US, 30.000 € in EU. I am glad in EU the Subaru will be cheaper than the Toyota.

In fact the car is a bit expensive for me, just imagine taking deliverey, and stripping it down the next day, welding a roll-cage, putting bucket seats, 6 point harness, changing rims, exhaust, upgrading brakes. A least another 5K, so I'd love the car to 5K cheaper.

However it is yet to early to judge whether it is cheap or not, we have first to see a comparision to its direct rivals: VW Golf GTI, Hyundai Genesis Coupé 2.0T, Renault Mégane RS and Mazda MX-5. I think it will still be the secand fastest behind the Renault and be the most fun ahead of the Miata.

[Deslock]

Originally Posted by CyberFormula

If you REALLy needed 3 seats...you don't buy this car. You would buy something with actual seats. But as I understand it, people are compromising.

The only advantage this car has is light weight. If you don't mind extra weight you have other cars that either has more power, better interior quality, has ACTUAL rear seats, and RWD.

No, I really do need 3 seats, and the FT86 is large enough for me. Not that I expect that'll stop you from making sweeping assumptions about people/situations you know nothing about.

Originally Posted by Calum

so, have we determined that this is real yet. I mean, 35 pages and we don't even know for sure if this is real

If only someone had answered that in this thread or elsewhere...

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?p=161790
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4328
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4330
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4339
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4348

[titusdrake]

Originally Posted by CyberFormula

If that's the case, then FRS or BRZ will be your only choice. Cause there is nothing else "NEW" that is in the same class currently.

indeed. and thats fine with me, Id rather have monthly payments for the new car warranty than to keep paying to fix my current high mileage used car

[titusdrake]

Originally Posted by Calum

so, have we determined that this is real yet. I mean, 35 pages and we don't even know for sure if this is real

its posted on scions website and Facebook?

[Brett]

Originally Posted by RRnold

+1

Isn't it roughly $10 more in month to every 1K more of the price. Under 25K is really good too so I don't understand the upsets!

Assuming 2%:

60 months: $17.53 per $1000 borrowed
48 months: $21.70 per $1000 borrowed
36 months: $28.64 per $1000 borrowed

Brett