how bad is the clutch?

[SkullWorks]

Originally Posted by fistpoint

No, I don't exactly know how a clutch works, is that a problem? Are you a physicist by chance? No? Well I'm not a mechanic or a technical car guy. Your point is moot.

Who said anything about feeling like a man? There are numerous posters here who feel the same way I do in regards to a soft clutch on a sporty car...they do NOT belong together, period.

It has to do with the precision when making the shift. A soft clutch makes it much more difficult to make precise shifts. Again, I am by far not the only one here who has said this since the cars release, or in regards to any car with a soft clutch that isn't a Corolla with 140HP.

My RSX doesn't have a monster feeling clutch, but when compared to the new Civic and tC, it is significantly more stiff feeling, but still is soft compared to something like a Ferrari or Lamborghini...or a Mack truck. I've never said my RSX was stiff, only stiffer. There is a difference.

The tC and Civic have mushy clutches now and I find it pathetic. That doesn't equate to being manly at all. Stop being a **** just because people disagree with you.
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Lastly, I haven't even tried the FR-S/BRZ clutch yet, I'm just going by what everyone else has said, which is that it is very soft. I think most people would find the RSX clutch soft too, until you get into a tC or new Civic...then you realize it isn't that soft afterall, OR the tC/Civic is overly soft. RSX = manly clutch? Not a chance! But tC/Civic is worlds away.

Whoa there keyboard warrior, that sort of post can get you banned around here.

Take a step back and read the post I made with your sensitivity in check.

It is clear you haven't probably driven any "real" performance cars, and yes some auto makers like to tune the clutch to "feel" "Sportier" but it in no way enhances the driving experience, in fact it usually serves to mask what little feedback hydraulic clutches transfer.

I even went so far as to explain how the soft long pedal enhances the modulation of the clutch.

If you haven't noticed I didn't have "a dog in this fight" so my post was not in response to someone disagreeing with me, it was infact to try to avoid having a whole group of uninformed look to your posting and automatically assume that the heavier the clutch the better.

a clutch system is a means of multiplying torque to allow you to depress spring fingers you would never be able to efficiently depress with out the system, minimizing that advantage makes no sense to me. There is no benefit to having a heavy clutch pedal, when you still have thrust bearings in the motor at 150K miles, you will think back (or not) to how you wanted a heavier clutch and be glad you didn't have one.


Wait what am I saying no you won't you dont even have one of these cars...nevermind continue your troll fest, educating people about systems you dont understand....and haven't used...by comparing it to cars you also cant afford and have never driven

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[Vracer111]

I'll just say I LOVE how the clutch is on my FR-S...I like the midrange to high engagement point and how from a stop you can get it going without hardly any revs above idle. I might adjust it to engage a little earlier, but it's very easy and quick to engage clutch without any slip and just row through the gears at low RPM's as is... awesome!

[nix]

Skullworks if a long soft pedal fulfills your needs, that's great. For many of us it won't. I think 50% of you will have burnt it out by next year and end up going for a more heavy duty plate anyway.

[Bristecom]

Originally Posted by cleethree

I sat down, started the car. It then took about 45 second to start rolling as I eased off the pedal waiting for it to catch. It was quite awkward really.

LOL, first time driving a clutch? I can just imagine that, super slowly releasing the clutch and starting to move.

I only got to drive the manual a little bit but it felt fine to me. It seemed a little hard up top and gets progressively lighter as you push it in. It is also fairly short. So yeah, it may be on the light side and I know some want a more raw feeling from it but keep in mind that it is a new car designed to be a comfortable daily driver and it doesn't have all that much power. I had 0 problems adapting to it. The sales guy I was test driving with said, "Beautifully smooth shifting."

[Citified]

I live in Florida and unless I'm going to/from work, I'm likely driving in flop flops. Drove mine home from the dealer in flops today, as a matter of fact. 15 miles home, by the end I was shifting it like butter. Heavy or light, I don't know that I give a damn. I just want enough feel and predictability to be able to make it smooth. As far as I can tell, this thing can shift like butter!

[fistpoint]

Originally Posted by SkullWorks

Whoa there keyboard warrior, that sort of post can get you banned around here.

Which part?

Originally Posted by SkullWorks

Wait what am I saying no you won't you dont even have one of these cars...nevermind continue your troll fest, educating people about systems you dont understand....and haven't used...by comparing it to cars you also cant afford and have never driven
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So now I'm a troll because I'm being smart and waiting for all the small crap to be worked out first? Or is it because I prefer to not have a wimpy feeling clutch and voice my greatly shared opinion of it?

I'll buy one when I'm ready. I still need to drive the manual, the auto(besides being an auto) was great.

[Sleeperz]

If you need a stronger clutch feel add another return spring on the clutch pedal. Or use a stronger spring if you can find one.

The hydraulic clutch is used because it is simpler to route a hydraulic line than a mechanical linkage system.

Also around 80-100K or having shifting problems check that the clutch master/slave are not leaking or air in the line. In normal driving it is not that clutch or transmission going bad.

Originally Posted by Oriental Life

Many of you are comparing hydrolic clutch to an old-school mechanical clutch. Just accept the fact that hydrolic clutch will never feel the same way as a mecanically linked one. 25k, 50k or 100k - it will not be the same when it comes to a bite feel.

[naticedog04]

I dont know about everyone else... But im always in different shoes while driving, which changes the feel of the clutch... My nikes make it harder to feel the clutch engage point, while my flip flops and bare feet the easiest to feel the engage point... My point is change ur footware and change the feel... If that doesnt work, change the clutch when it burns out and get one with a stage 1 or stage 2 clutch... A hydrolic clutch will feel lighter when compared to a mechanical clutch system...

[Linseal]

I just don't get it I've always been able to happily adjust to any clutch. From old pickups to old MR2s to my old xA. I didn't know this was a serious issue for some people haha. Personally, I love this clutch! Hard clutches are a pain in stop and go traffic around the hills of Austin :P

[*KID*]

the clutch is fine, feels comfortable and easy cause after having race clutches it kinda sucks when your in traffic.

[SkullWorks]

don't get me wrong I will have to update the pressure plate and disc (and flywheel since i think it is dual mass) but that'll be due to torque demands not pedal stiffness...and yes the pedal will get stiffer...at which point people will start to be happy the clutch is so soft now...

[Oriental Life]

Originally Posted by Sleeperz

If you need a stronger clutch feel add another return spring on the clutch pedal. Or use a stronger spring if you can find one.

The hydraulic clutch is used because it is simpler to route a hydraulic line than a mechanical linkage system.

Also around 80-100K or having shifting problems check that the clutch master/slave are not leaking or air in the line. In normal driving it is not that clutch or transmission going bad.

I can argue with that, having changed few clutches in my older cars, pedal assembly and clutch cable is easy to route and install. It will give you heavy clutch feel most of the time, even with the weakest pedal springs, but in regards to bite feel - metal cable transmits everything that happens to сlutch release bearing, clutch itself much better than damped hydraulic line and valve. What about speed? Mechanical link will be faster as well, and its a $10 cable in retail money we talk about (~$2 piece is what it costs to manufacture). Compare it with hydraulic clutch assembly cost.

Hydraulic clutches are there for your feather-light feel and shorter throw, thats it. No other advantages.

[luscious]

"how bad is it?"

wtf?

you mean "how good is it!?"

After my test drive, the clutch was a breathe of fresh air compared to the heavy-ass monstrosity that it in my 04 Subaru FXT

[armythug]

One reason why the clutch is so light is so ANYONE can easily drive the car. Its easier to attract customers to something that's easy to drive. There is an easy solution for this if you have a problem with the clutch. Install the one you like instead of complaining about it so much lol.

Or should toyobaru install a hard clutch from the jump and discourage people from buying a car that is meant to be fun to drive. A hard clutch will RUIN your first impression driving experience if you are a novice. You will stall all over the place and wreck the car. so be happy with your soft clutch and just change it out if you don't like it.