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Old 01-30-2018, 05:56 PM   #57
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Keep in mind though that the description above is from driving it for the first time. Every car has it's own nuances which become easier to live with over time. Not saying this particular car isn't higher strung than a stock FRS, but given the build quality and reputation of Papadakis Racing, I'll bet this car wouldn't be terribly more difficult to drive than stock.
Don't get me wrong, I love what they built and would beat on that thing like I stole it form the ex's mother. But not sure I want to commute in it.

What they got the most right about the twins is the fact that I look forward to driving it every time I go somewhere. I don't care if it is bumper to bumper for two hours on the way to work or a blast down a good curvy road; it is just a good place to spend time.

Probably attributable to being as old as dirt, but find I don't get used to the idiosyncrasies of a hot-rod the more I drive it; quite the opposite.

I am building my latest project with this lesson in mind. Ergonomics and creature comfort trumps thrills...No bone crushing suspension, blaring exhaust, heat exhaustion or clutch-cramp thank you. If what I end up with is even half the thrill ride and half as nice as that Coyote is, I will be very happy.
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Old 01-30-2018, 07:02 PM   #58
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I DD a V6 Mustang so I'm a bit biased for the cool factor of this. Also wouldn't mind the clutch as my BRZ has a 3-puck metal face (same as in the TRD 14R60). Slight race car feel and quicker clutch engagement between shifts (wayyy faster than my Mustang) makes drives feel a bit like a special occasion and worth the effort.
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Don't get me wrong, I love what they built and would beat on that thing like I stole it form the ex's mother. But not sure I want to commute in it.

What they got the most right about the twins is the fact that I look forward to driving it every time I go somewhere. I don't care if it is bumper to bumper for two hours on the way to work or a blast down a good curvy road; it is just a good place to spend time.

Probably attributable to being as old as dirt, but find I don't get used to the idiosyncrasies of a hot-rod the more I drive it; quite the opposite.

I am building my latest project with this lesson in mind. Ergonomics and creature comfort trumps thrills...No bone crushing suspension, blaring exhaust, heat exhaustion or clutch-cramp thank you. If what I end up with is even half the thrill ride and half as nice as that Coyote is, I will be very happy.
Thing is, I don't see why this build would be much more difficult to drive than a stock Coyote-powered Mustang? Stock trans, it's NOT a puck-style clutch, and assuming they got the ring and pinion gearing right, 1st gear is still usable from a traffic perspective. Sure, it'd be noisier and more vibes, but unless sitting in stopped traffic is a significant portion of my commute, I don't think that'd be a really big deal. And if it is, at that point, is ANY 86 the smartest choice for that environment..? I mean, if you wouldn't want to commute in a Mustang GT, then you'd clearly not want to commute in this car either, and that just personal preference - nothing wrong with that at all. What I don't agree with is the implication that this would be a temperamental, difficult car to drive, simply because it's had a powertrain swap.
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Old 01-31-2018, 10:44 AM   #60
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"The clutch pedal is stiff and can be tricky to feather (nothing too bad if you've driven something with a 3 or 4-puck clutch); the shifter is extremely short, the switching between gears very notchy. It’s hard to get a feel for First gear..... I shift quickly into what I think is Third but I soon realize it's actually Fifth; that’s how tight this shifter is."

Good example of how important the small shit is if you want to live with the car. . When I read the above, I picture getting out of the car and thinking "Awesome thrill ride...so glad it is not mine".

In as much as we build hot-rods to go fast, unless it is a track-only car, the first place I want to test drive it is Toronto rush hour traffic on a hot summer day. And having driven puck clutches, I would not even bother with this car.

On a similar vein, with more than a few of the twins having been converted to alternate power trains, anyone else notice the lack of videos that show them in motion?
Maybe they got the master wrong? This sheet was with the instructions that came with he McLeod RXT clutch I’m using.


Pedal on my car feels similar to stock, a touch stiffer but it’s a 1200hp clutch.
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Also maybe they used a stiff clutch. Some heavy duty single disk clutches can be very heavy on the pedal where a stronger twin disk unit can have a lighter Pedal feel.
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