We can almost beat a s2000!!!

[vangisback]

I thought you were gonna sell your GT86 because you feel that it's way too slow? Trying to find reasons to keep it now by comparing it to a Honda sports car designed over 13 yrs ago? OP, you just needs to buy an S2000 so he can sleep better at night. Also, FWIW, launching at 5k rpm is not optimal for the S2000, but probably advantageous for the BRZ/FRS.

CSG_Mike is probably the most knowledgeable and unbiased person on this board regarding the S2000 vs FRS/BRZ. Just read all of his postings on ALL of the "FRS/BRZ vs S2000" threads instead of starting new threads like this.

[manonastick]

Well its not really fair to compare a 22k ish car against a 35k car and not really fair to compare a 10 year old to new car is it? The s2000 barely got any changes except for the change from ap1 (00-03 series 1) to ap2 (04-08 series 2) when it got a longer wheel base + revised suspension geometry which only a few countries got etc JP,US.

But to be honest i will call the 86/brz the superior car it can do everything the s2000 can but i can't see what the 86 cannot do compared to s2000 except the s2000 putting better track times. The s2000 is the better "performance" car but not overall it was designed to be a pure driving experience. Try putting alot of stuff into the s2000, fit more than 2 people and get good fuel milage on one.

But with the developments of mods for the 86 is hard to say if the s2000 is better performance car in years

Opinion from a friendly s2000 owner

[CSG Mike]

Longer wheelbase? I wasn't aware...

[Lonewolf]

Valuable thread is valuable....

[trinitron]

vtec just kicked in YO

[vangisback]

Originally Posted by manonastick

Well its not really fair to compare a 22k ish car against a 35k car and not really fair to compare a 10 year old to new car is it? The s2000 barely got any changes except for the change from ap1 (00-03 series 1) to ap2 (04-08 series 2) when it got a longer wheel base + revised suspension geometry which only a few countries got etc JP,US.

But to be honest i will call the 86/brz the superior car it can do everything the s2000 can but i can't see what the 86 cannot do compared to s2000 except the s2000 putting better track times. The s2000 is the better "performance" car but not overall it was designed to be a pure driving experience. Try putting alot of stuff into the s2000, fit more than 2 people and get good fuel milage on one.

But with the developments of mods for the 86 is hard to say if the s2000 is better performance car in years

Opinion from a friendly s2000 owner

You are either a really stupid s2000 owner or you actually don't own an s2000 at all. Lol longer wheelbase?

Also, why is the only comeback always about the original MSRP and utility space of the twins? Thanks for pointing out the obvious, but the OP was specifically comparing the performance of the two vehicles. Please stay on topic.

[bdohazelnuts]

Also important to note, is that tuners have had 10+ years to come up with mods and tinker with the S2000. Of course there is going to be better modified S2k's. The mod/tuning community is still just scratching the surface of the twins.

[ST185RC]

Originally Posted by Marcoscrdo

So someone explain D4S compared to Vtec.. I wish it was almost the same though anyone agree?

Two are entirely different. VTEC involves switching cam lobe profile effectively changing timing when engaged. D4S is the fuel delivery system that pumps directly into the combustion chamber.

[Marcoscrdo]

Originally Posted by ST185RC

Two are entirely different. VTEC involves switching cam lobe profile effectively changing timing when engaged. D4S is the fuel delivery system that pumps directly into the combustion chamber.

Yeah i know, but like what happens when d4s happens. More fuel is put in so more power?

[Jaylyons1]

Originally Posted by FRSfan111

Stock for stock the s2k has a 1sec faster 0-60. Sounds like a bad driver too me. Watch talking about drag racing no matter how deserted. Some one will always flame you. Glad your enjoying the car though!!!!

I really wonder how different that 0-60 time changes after the stock tires are tossed. My car sticks right off the line now. I remember trying to see what it could do before and the first two gears just didn't stick.

[civdaddy]

Originally Posted by bdohazelnuts

Also important to note, is that tuners have had 10+ years to come up with mods and tinker with the S2000. Of course there is going to be better modified S2k's. The mod/tuning community is still just scratching the surface of the twins.

I think that being the twins are being sold at a MUCH higher volume they are getting more attention during their first year than the s2000 did. There's countless FI options already with tunes and e85 available. Theres parts all over the place for this car is crazy haha. Also there is more room to mod the twins in a "beneficial" way to the cars performance, engine and suspension wise. I agree that it is still a new platform and better things are to come. But they will come faster than they did/will with the s2000.

[ST185RC]

Originally Posted by Marcoscrdo

Yeah i know, but like what happens when d4s happens. More fuel is put in so more power?

No, more fuel does not equate to more power necessarily. Otherwise gas guzzling corvettes in the 80s-90s would be banging out double the power stock in their days. D4S simply allows higher efficiency in how fuel is delivered. Higher efficiency = higher output.

Indirect injection = air and fuel mixing before the intake valve opens by the turn of the cam shaft to allow the mixture to enter the the combustion chamber. This is not as efficient as it can be because nebulized air-fuel mixture can condense on the the valve or any surface prior to combustion which leads to incomplete combustion which also leads to smog from unburned fuel. This is why you get stuff building up on your valves over time from unburned fuel carry stuff over the valve itself.

Furthermore, once the mixture is in the chamber there is no more chance for the ECU to adjust how much fuel will enter the combustion chamber through the stroke of the piston.

Direct injection (D4S) is high pressured system that delivers fuel into the combustion chamber directly and the intake valves are free to deliver air without fuel. The high pressured fuel injectors allows for smaller particles of fuel droplets (in essence the fuel will have an overall greater surface area per droplet, the analogy would be splitting a big chunk of wood into smaller chunks to burn). The air and fuel mixture will nebulize within the combustion chamber itself meaning less chance of the fuel recondensing on anything which leads to greater efficiently through a more complete combustion cycle allowing greater power output.

Of course there is all the electronic gadgetry and ecu programming that will measure direct injection more precisely than traditional indirect injection.

At the end of the day, there is a finite amount of energy stored in fuel. No car on the road to this day will harness the entirety of it's stored energy 100%. Most of the energy is lost through heat. Direct injection just gives a better way to burn fuel more efficiently.

[m.wood0213]

i think some ppl are still forgetting that the twins are excellent cars that may have an unusable back seat but still has a backseat, better mpg and more comfortable for dd whereas the s2k is a purpose built car used for weekend track runs, and is usually a secondary car for most ppl.

[vangisback]

Originally Posted by m.wood0213

i think some ppl are still forgetting that the twins are excellent cars that may have an unusable back seat but still has a backseat, better mpg and more comfortable for dd whereas the s2k is a purpose built car used for weekend track runs, and is usually a secondary car for most ppl.

And again....